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Old 11-28-2005, 02:19 PM   #31
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Re: Re: JFK

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This too me is a shame that they find it to be the truth. Stone like any artist took liberties.

It is a good starting point.
At least the movie was a good way to bring even more attention to this whole thing.
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I remember the Kennedy assassination. I got on the grammar school bus and someone said "the president's been shot". I didn't believe it. I couldn't imagine presidents being shot, but then again did I really know what a president was? No. I got home and told my mother what had happened. She told me that it was true, no, no one was lying to me. It was nightmarish, I got really sad that someone had done that. I was too young to understand the politics and woulld be until Watergate, but I remember it.
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Old 11-29-2005, 12:15 AM   #33
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This is one of my favorite sites. It contains all historical records released pertaining to the assasination.

This document is a document produced by George Bush himself (DCI) Director of Central intelligence. The routing slip on page 3 identifies Gearge HW Bush as the author of the document. Interesting to note that this is his take on the events leading up to the assasination of President Kennedy. He leaves himself out of the Bay of Pigs and his role in organizing the Cubans. However, the TIMELINE is incredibly revealing. In some of the books I have read people questioned why he was requesting information on the Kennedy assasination. Maybe he was preparing this information.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/ar....do?docId=7594

If you look up Dan Rather from the main page, there is a CIA report on work Rather was doing. The conclusion page refers to making sure that no link between Oswald and the CIA allowed to be established before the prograim aired. They believed Rather was going to report that there was no link.

So many documents, with little bits of neat stuff.
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"Dreadsox" has a great point about George HW Bush. Apparently he was in Dallas the day Kennedy was shot - all that is in the memo is "CIA agent George Bush" - Bush has denied it was him and even the CIA has said it was another agent whose name was George Bush...I say hogwash - these people LIE for a living. Given what's happened since JFK's death I have every reason to suspect George HW Bush as one of the major conspirators in the assasination of JFK!!!
Here is a link to the AARB report on the memo you are reffering to.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/ar...sPageId=217109

The memo was written by Hoover himself.
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And here is a letter written by George Bush himself to George De Mohrenshildt.

George De Mohrenshildt was a direct aquaintence of L. H. Oswald. This is not disputed at all. This is in the Warren Commision report.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/ar...84&relPageId=2

Here is the handwritten letter that Bush is responding to. Why would Bush be personal friends with a person known to have been a close friend of L. H. Oswald?
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/ar...sPageId=234735

If you look at the routing clip on page 3 of the document, you can see that the agent screening the mail was going to not send it to Bush but to security. He writes a note to Bush asking if he knows this individual and there you see the X on the yes. This document was not released to the public until 1998.

Here is a transmittal slip discussing the drafted response from Bush acknowledging Bush's relationship.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/ar...35&relPageId=2

Bush's admission that he knew him.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/ar...0&relPageId=27

Here is the Cover Slip from when the file pertaining to this was relaeased in 1998. NOTE the slip informs us that there is information that has not been released from this file. WHY?

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/ar....do?docId=4470
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let's skip through the blur.....it doesnt seem right that in today's age with all the technology and trips to the moon that we dont know what happened-that is absurd.
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why don't we know the truth,,,,,,that is the question!
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I thought about this anniversary over the Thanksgiving holiday and we were talking about it at work today. Quite a sad event, and I remember it well, I was in kindergarten at the time. Quite a controversial bit in history too. Don't think we will ever know the REAL truth of what REALLY happened, how many shooters were in the book depository or on the grassy knoll, etc. Can't believe it's been 42 years tho. Wow, where does time go?
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Just ran across this dictaphone transcript of LBJ and J. Edgar Hoover a week after the assassination. It is a pretty interesting read.

Hoover personally looked through the scope of Oswald's gun. Interesting stuff.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/ar...c.do?docId=882

If you go into the main LBJ Phone archives, it is funny to hear LBJ repeatedly tell people that they should keep his discussions about forming the Warren Commission private, since they were the only one he had spoken to about it. The Conversations about who was picked and why are quite revealing. He was most definitely trying to prevent the Congress from investigating it because he did not want a TV spectacle made of the investigation.
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"John Seigenthaler Sr. was the assistant to Attorney General Robert Kennedy in the early 1960's. For a brief time, he was thought to have been directly involved in the Kennedy assassinations of both John, and his brother, Bobby. Nothing was ever proven."

This is a highly personal story about Internet character assassination. It could be your story.

I have no idea whose sick mind conceived the false, malicious "biography" that appeared under my name for 132 days on Wikipedia, the popular, online, free encyclopedia whose authors are unknown and virtually untraceable. There was more:

"John Seigenthaler moved to the Soviet Union in 1971, and returned to the United States in 1984," Wikipedia said. "He started one of the country's largest public relations firms shortly thereafter."

At age 78, I thought I was beyond surprise or hurt at anything negative said about me. I was wrong. One sentence in the biography was true. I was Robert Kennedy's administrative assistant in the early 1960s. I also was his pallbearer.
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yeah .. haven´t read the book for some time but Garrison kinda made his point. Talks a whole lot about Bannister and the location of his bureau where Oswald went etc.

Remotely possible for sure when we acknowledge that everything about JFKs death is speculation.
Speaking of Bannister...I ran across this....
[Q]Was there a Mississippi link to the assassination of John F. Kennedy? Records show that a U. S. senator and a Mississippi private detective may have known about plans to kill JFK.

(PRWEB) November 17, 2005 -- Who killed JFK?

While conspiracy theorists keep the debate alive, few mention Mississippi's links to the murder of a U. S. president 42 years ago this week, says the author of two civil rights books that focus on the Yazoo-Mississippi Delta.

Susan Klopfer became intrigued with the Mississippi connection to JFK's assassination when she came across information linking a Delta icon to several others often associated with the tragic Dallas event, including a private detective from Vicksburg.

Seven years before John F. Kennedy's murder, the magnolia state's U. S. Sen. James O. Eastland met for the first time with Guy Banister, a controversial CIA operative and retired FBI agent in charge of the Chicago bureau, according to Klopfer.

"Banister was later linked to Lee Harvey Oswald and Mississippi's senator through involvement with Eastland's Senate Internal Security Subcommittee or SISS (sometimes called "SISSY")," writes the author of "Where Rebels Roost, Mississippi Civil Rights Revisited" and "The Emmett Till Book."

"The New Orleans Times-Picayune on March 23, 1956, reported that Robert Morrison, a former chief counsel for Sen. Joseph McCarthy's House UnAmerican Activities Committee or HUAC, and Banister traveled to Greenwood, Mississippi in the heart of the Delta, to confer personally with Senator Eastland for more than three hours," Klopfer said.

Describing the conference as "completely satisfactory," Morrison told the New Orleans reporter that "Mr. Banister has complete liaison with the committee's staff which was the main object of our trip."

Known as a notorious political extremist who was later described as the impetus for James Garrison’s 1967-1970 Kennedy assassination probe, Banister earlier became a brief focus of Mississippi's secret spy agency, the Sovereignty Commission, when it was suggested Banister should be hired to set up an "even tighter" domestic spying system throughout the state. Klopfer said she found this report in the state's Sovereignty Commission records.

A second Eastland operative, private investigator John D. Sullivan of Vicksburg, made this suggestion to the commission just months after the JFK assassination, also reported in released Sovereignty Commission records, Klopfer said.

"Former FBI agent Sullivan had worked for Banister (both inside the FBI and privately) and as a private self-employed investigator for the Mississippi Sovereignty Commission; the private white Citizens Councils, of which he was an active member; and for SISS, as had Banister and Lee Harvey Oswald.

"When Sullivan reportedly committed suicide soon after the Kennedy assassination, Sovereignty Commission investigators tried to acquire his library and files, but most of his confidential files were either reportedly burned by his widow or they had been lent out, and she 'could not remember' who had them, Sovereignty Commission files disclose."

Some twenty-nine years later, in testimony before the Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board during a Dallas hearing on November 18, 1994, the late Senator Eastland was directly implicated in the president’s assassination by one of the author/theorists invited to testify, Klopfer said.

"Lee Harvey Oswald was quite possibly an agent of the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee and he was doing the bidding of [Sen. Thomas J. Dodd and Eastland and Morrison, author John McLaughlin swore."

Klopfer said that documentation that could support or even discredit such assertions could be present in the Eastland archives at the University of Mississippi, "but no objective scholar has been allowed to search these archives since the day they arrived on campus.

"Instead, Eastland's records were managed for years by a former associate and devotee who followed the papers from Washington, D.C. to Oxford," she said.

Eastland, a cotton planter from Doddsville, Mississippi in the heart of the Delta, was the consumate racist. "He often blocked money from coming into the Delta to feed and employ the poorest of Mississippians. Yet he was quite adept at collecting hundreds of thousands dollars of federal farming subsidies for himself," Klopfer said.

"There has been very little written about Eastland; his family and friends seem to be protecting what information is allowed to the public."

Eastland died in 1986 at the age of 82.

After an unsuccessful Freedom of Information Act or FOIA request to the University of Mississippi's law school by Klopfer, a historian was finally hired to organize the archives based in the James O. Eastland School of Law.

But there was still a waiting period scheduled before any of the files could be viewed, Klopfer said.

"I was informed that the plan was to release first all press releases, according to one Ole Miss historian who also told me that many important files were probably missing -- that the files looked cleaned out."

Klopfer asserts the law school dean, when presented with a freedom of information act request or FOIA for access to Eastland archives, asked her, while laughing, if he could "just show the rejection letter written to the last person who asked for this information."

Later, Klopfer said, it came back to her that “people at Ole Miss were really angry” over the FOIA request.

Klopfer said she once spoke with historian Carol Polsgrove from Indiana University who also wanted to see the Eastland records.

"Dr. Polsgrove was interested in the white resistance to the civil rights movement, that it has not received the kind of attention from historians that the movement itself has--understandably, since there is nothing heroic about the resistance.

"She once thought about writing a biography of Eastland, who she terms the political linchpin of the resistance, and went so far as to call the University of Mississippi Law School, where his papers were kept.

"Polsgrove said she was told they were stowed in boxes in a basement--uncataloged and inaccessible. A library staffer explained to her, in hushed tones, that Senator Eastland was not quite 'politically correct'."

Klopfer notes that "Even today, Ole Miss doesn't seem to advertise the law school's identity - the James O. Eastland School of Law."

But like the Indiana professor, Klopfer said that she, too, would "really would love to go through all of Eastland's records. ALL of them."

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I bolded the two Senator's for a reason.

LBJ Contacted Both Dodd and Eastland the day he announced the Warren Commission to the public. The conversations with both men were pretty interesting...especially Eastland.

Eastland 7:03 Nov. 29, 1963
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/ar...c.do?docId=904

Dodd 7:15 Nov. 29, 1963
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/ar...c.do?docId=906
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the timeline at the beginning of the responses (author-Harry) is interesting but jaded....when one reports history one is supposed to report facts, not facts mixed with personal response. Thank you for the timeline-interesting
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