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Old 01-07-2006, 01:49 PM   #16
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So, Jesus had nothing to say about abortion then ? A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.

Thanks for the post refuting what I said about the Christian right, happy to see you provided so many facts to the contrary.
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There's a lot of things Jesus never explicity discussed, abortion and homosexuality being two.

OK, I got to school with 4000 Christian students and hundreds more Christian faculty and staff, I live in a metro area with 1.3 million people, the majority of which are Christians, and most of these Christians are from a Protestant (Dutch Calvinist) tradition and I've NEVER met someone who would laugh at the notion that Robertson and Falwell represent what we believe.

Do the amount of news stories on serial rapists and serial killers mean that this represents the majority of the viewing population -> that most people are serial killers or rapists? Duh, no! HELLO!!!
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Old 01-07-2006, 01:55 PM   #17
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U2scot- why dont you read the bible yourself, and find out the awnsers.


I did just do a goole search, and I think you can find your awnser here. http://www.bible.ca/s-Abortion.htm
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And yet these take precedence with the Christian Right over the things Jesus DID discuss. Helping the poor and the sick, etc. Curious. Very curious.
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Well I'll be damned if Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell are considered the spokespersons for the entire Christian Right!

I don't think I'm the one that has research to do...

i will agree this thread appears to have an agenda

that may not contribute to "discussion"


but, Robertson is the founder of "The Christian Coalition" and did win GOP primaries in 1988.

Falwell was a founder of the Moral Majority, a political action umbrella group that fought to enact Bible-based values as American law. The group, like Falwell, was opposed to women's rights, legal abortion, opposed to equal (or much of any) rights for homosexuals, against pornography (which Falwell defines very broadly), and in favor of thinly-veiled censorship of artworks or organizations that expressed different opinions.


If either of these two had advised their followers to stay home in 2000 or 2004 Bush most likely would not have been able attain office.
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If either of these two had advised their followers to stay home in 2000 or 2004 Bush most likely would not have been able attain office.
Excellent point! There isn't one great almighty leader of the religious right, but these two are very important and have large followings.
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LivLuv and nbc -- just ignore this guy. He's just a shit stirrer. And don't think he speaks for most of the liberals on here any more than Robertson and Falwell and their ilk speak for you.

We might have fundamental differences (pun kind of intended ) in how we view the world, but most of us here are actually interested in the views of others here, even when we vehemently disagree with them. U2Scot is just raising hell. Ignore him -- if no one plays his nasty little game he'll eventually get bored and go away.
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LivLuv and nbc -- just ignore this guy. He's just a shit stirrer. And don't think he speaks for most of the liberals on here any more than Robertson and Falwell and their ilk speak for you.

We might have fundamental differences (pun kind of intended ) in how we view the world, but most of us here are actually interested in the views of others here, even when we vehemently disagree with them. U2Scot is just raising hell. Ignore him -- if no one plays his nasty little game he'll eventually get bored and go away.
Thanks. It's encouraging to know that of all the differences in political and religious opinion, there are some people here with a basic sense of respect for each other.

I can see he likes to play tricks, I guess it just irked me b/c unfortunately I know MANY people (in society in general) still think the type of things his posts implied and I don't think that's fair, no matter how much you disagree on a personal level.
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LivLuv and nbc -- just ignore this guy. He's just a shit stirrer. And don't think he speaks for most of the liberals on here any more than Robertson and Falwell and their ilk speak for you.

We might have fundamental differences (pun kind of intended ) in how we view the world, but most of us here are actually interested in the views of others here, even when we vehemently disagree with them. U2Scot is just raising hell. Ignore him -- if no one plays his nasty little game he'll eventually get bored and go away.
I could hug you right now!!!!
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And yet these take precedence with the Christian Right over the things Jesus DID discuss. Helping the poor and the sick, etc. Curious. Very curious.
As I've said before, the Religious Right is not really about strict adherence to the Bible. It's about being as patriarchal and "macho" as humanly possible. As such, "macho" things like gay bashing, warmongering, punishment, and controlling women are always at the top of the agenda; and, as such, you'll get a myriad of Biblical passages that support these stances that always trump any other passage in the Bible that contradict them. Always. If Jesus said, "Love one another" or "Judge not, lest you be judged," they are always pushed aside in favor of that cryptic and idiotic "Jesus sword" passage in Matthew. I guess the image of Jesus slaughtering all the infidels on the road to Heaven is comforting to some people.

Things like pacifism, mercy, love, ending poverty...you'll always hear excuses from conservative Christians as to why not to do these things. "They're not as important." "Jesus....sword! That's important!"

As such, I really stopped believing anything that these wackos ever say. They're as meaningless and evil as the Pharisees, as far as I'm concerned; and if everyone is "going to hell," then I guess "everyone" will have good company with them by their side.

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"The beauty of the Bible, you can find a quote for just about anything"

but apparently not about abortion...
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What a load of shit.
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What a load of shit.

I agree... Espacialy this parts :

B. Baby conceived as result of rape
should child suffer for sin of another?
Since when is it the woman's fault if she gets rapped and aggressed sexualy ?

The rest are twisted sentences mostly... Some that have no sense but interpretated by the author of that text so they make, for him and the ones who want to believe in it.
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Re: Jesus's words on abortion

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Can someone point out what Jesus actually had to say about abortion.

I would think Jesus CHRIST would have had something to say on the matter as it's existence is such a hot topic for CHRISTians
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what did Jesus have to say about it?
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Well I'll be damned if Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell are considered the spokespersons for the entire Christian Right!

They represent a few radical fundamentalist people who I have less in common with than my peers of entirely different religions altogether.

But of course, only the most rediculous comments get media attention. I find it pretty stupid that you're twisting what the media chooses to talk about into what the Christian Right as a whole is really all about. I don't think I'm the one that has research to do...
You see, the Christian Right has a problem.

I have discussed that problem at length in another thread.

If there is that overwhelming majority of the Christian Right you are talking about that does not believe in what Falwell or Robertson have to say, why not take distance from him, and condemn his views openly?

I am sure the media would report other leaders of the Christian Right taking distance.

I would really like to know what the Christian Right is standing for except of the well-known issues. It seems they are against abortion and against gay marriage. If the Bible never mentioned abortion, well..

I thought the Christian Right takes the Bible literally. In reality when I hear stuff like that:
"But, we could go through plenty of Scripture regarding life, marriage, sex, etc. that would provide the framework for your answer - if you were really interested"
- apparently the Christian Right just makes up its own agenda.

Either you take it literally or not. If the Bible hasn´t mentioned abortion, where do you get your ideas from?

If the Christian Right took the Bible literally, it would INDEED have to rethink its agenda.

The point that U2Scot probably wanted to make - and lol, I got a kick out of seeing the rest of the thread, especially how the "fine" liberals react - the point was that the life and words of Jesus are full, fuller, overflowing - on the topic of social justice, equality, the nobility of giving away and poverty, and of turning the other cheek. In compare to that there is nothing about abortion and samesex marriage.

So does the Christian Right make up its own agenda? Yes, after careful examination my neocortex (I guess) has come to the conclusion that must be the case.

Besides, it would be refreshing if you, as a member of the Christian Right, could stop to point out that your Falwells and Robertsons are harmless extremists no one really cares about. Like deep pointed out, these traitors of Christianity attract large groups of lemmings.

What is it you are doing against this danger?
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