Harry Vest
Refugee
Please - lets talk Kennedy Assasination.
I made a mistake...it was you Dreadsox, not Melon, who I was referring to. Let's NOT discuss JFK right now. I think we're forever going to disagree on that.
Please - lets talk Kennedy Assasination.
That's utter HOGWASH!!! A building that size does NOT collapse like it did. Watch the footage again and tell me it's not a controlled demolition!!!
And you got your degree in physics from where?
My father is an engineer and has incredible knowledge in the engineering and
So what. Dr. Steven Jones would disagree with your father. There are experts on both sides of this issue. EXPERTS!!!
That's utter HOGWASH!!! A building that size does NOT collapse like it did. Watch the footage again and tell me it's not a controlled demolition!!!
Hogwash? Really, with your expertise in structural engineering can you explain to me exactly why it's hogwash?
That's utter HOGWASH!!! A building that size does NOT collapse like it did. Watch the footage again and tell me it's not a controlled demolition!!!
So what. Dr. Steven Jones would disagree with your father. There are experts on both sides of this issue. EXPERTS!!!
And how exactly does this distinguish your own thinking on the topic from the HOGWASH!!!-swallowing "nuts" and "absolute lunatics" you're railing against? Nonconformity merely for nonconformity's sake, is that it? If you "can't do it" then how are you actually deciding whom to believe?Nope. Can't do it. I'll leave it to people like Dr. Steven Jones.
See, I think this is where you lose so much credibility in here. You find one source, so you therefore call everything else "hogwash".
Dr. Jones was a pretty well respected physicist, but there are some issues, one he doen't have an expertise in structural engineering and didn't have anyone who does to back up his theories. In fact he didn't have much peer review at all, he does have supporters but the support for a truly peer reviewed paper just isn't there. Jones has made a few appearances speaking about his theories but mysteriously enough has never engaged in a debate with other physicist and engineers that don't agree with him.
Not enough to blindly believe or call anything "hogwash". But hey a professional wrestler/actor/politician is on his side, so he has that going for him...
It's funny that no one has responded to William Rodriguez. If anything, when you watch footage of Mr. Rodriguez you know in your soul he is NOT lying or making anything up. He heard explosions in the sub-basement of WTC 1 and proceeded to rescue possibly hundreds of people. In fact, he was one of the last people to leave the building. If you believe Mr. Rodriguez then you MUST admit something happened that is NOT a part of the official explanation. If you insist that the official explanation is THE TRUTH then you are calling this true hero a LIAR!!!
There are experts on both sides of this issue. EXPERTS!!!
Because you entered a capital "o" instead of a zero. The link works now.Just tested it...don't know why it doesn't work.
Because you entered a capital "o" instead of a zero. The link works now.
Is there some reason why you can't just cut and paste URLs instead of manually typing them out? That way you're guaranteed no typos.
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I "laugh it off" because it's laughable. Not to mention an insult to those who were murdered on that day. I choose to spend my time focusing on them and never forgetting them rather than on some half-baked conspiracy theories.
I "laugh it off" because it's laughable. Not to mention an insult to those who were murdered on that day. I choose to spend my time focusing on them and never forgetting them rather than on some half-baked conspiracy theories.
^ What's your problem? Several posters in here have managed to convey that they find Harry's 'shouting' and calling other posters 'nuts' and 'lunatics' offputting without resorting to labeling his comments "stupid" or "horseshit." If you find an openly dismissive attitude towards alternative 9/11 theories objectionable, fine, but you're not likely to get anyone to reconsider anything by getting that hostile in response.
I thought this thread was considerably more constructive--it helped that the 'inside job' advocate in question obviously knew his stuff and focused on laying it out, rather than getting worked up because people failed to say "Wow great topic, thanks for posting this, nice thought-provoking links there." (He had, however, registered here solely for that purpose, as several posters surmised.)It's this forum that's out of step, not the likes of me or Harry Vest. Every other forum I contribute to or browse has had a decent, free-ranging, discussion about this issue. FYM is the only one that has not.
Not really sure what you're getting at here...this isn't a 'left wing'/'right wing' topic at all. Harry is obviously not a 'right-winger'; 2861U2, who was as hard on him as anyone else, is clearly not 'left-wing'. In the US at least, no one sees 9/11 'inside job' theories as 'conservative,' nor disregard of them as 'liberal.' Perhaps your intent was to suggest that everyone else (including Harry) whose snarky comments in the course of the thread managed to pass my acceptability test are somehow my friends in some way that you're not? No. You were just ruder, and not at all posting in the vein of the posters you correctly identified as having offered thoughtful comments.Excepting posters like A_Wanderer, Indra and one or two others, who at least discussed the issue in a thoughtful mannner, most of the posts in the thread did not even pretend to make a serious attempt to deal with and discuss the issues raised by Harry Vest, but rather resorted to trollish, dismissive remarks.
You didn't object to any of the trollish comments from the left wing side, but you did object to my comment - which was purely a response to Mrs Springsteen's remarks.
That this thread has zero chance left of yielding anything constructive?Shouldn't that indicate something to you, Yolland?