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Old 03-08-2008, 10:21 AM   #16
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I am tired of the Middle East to be honest.

My old boss (an Israeli Jew, btw) said the best solution would be to give everyone in the region 2 weeks notice to vacate and then nuke the land into oblivion so that it is uninhabitable for 10,000 years. I'm really coming to a similar conclusion myself.
I've heard this argument too, from mutiple people, especially in my international politics classes.

It's sad that it's gotten to this point
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:10 PM   #17
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You absolutely have got to be kidding.....

A "military" response? Was this terrorist a soldier? Were those students soldiers? was the library they were studying in an army barracks? Was the library a military target?

And can you tell me exactly what "war" we're waging against the Palestinians? The Negev area of Israel has been living under constant shelling by Katyusha and Kassam rockets for the past 7 years, injuring civillians (including children). When Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza strip in 2004, the Palestinian terrorists used the evacuated areas to move their Kassam rockets closer to the city of Sderot and continued their relentless shelling of the city - DELIBERATELY targeting our civillian population.

And now the Palestinian terrorists have upgraded the missiles to include longer range missiles that can now reach the city of Ashkelon (which is half an hour from where I live).

Do you really expect Israel to sit back and just take it? To abandon our citizens and leave them as sitting ducks? HELL NO!

For the sake of argument, how would you feel if you lived in NYC and you were constantly being fired on from the New Jersey side, placing you and your family in danger and completely disrupting your life? How would you feel if you couldn't go to work or send your kids to school or even walk down the street without the fear of a rocket falling right next to you and injuring you horribly - as what happened to an 8 year old boy last week whose leg had to be amputated?

It's very easy to sit in your comfortable living room and condemm us for our "war" against the Palestinians but let me tell you something: It is not a war we're waging, we are defending ourselves against the relentless war the terrorists have been waging against us for years. Israel had had enough of sitting and doing nothing.

It is sad that innocent women and children on the Palestinian side are being killed and wounded but that is NOT Israel's fault. Hamas and Islamic Jihad deliberately place their rocket launchers and headquarters among the civillian population of Gaza and they don't give a damm about their own people - quite the opposite: they LOVE when their civillians are killed in Israeli strikes cos then they can picture us as barbarians and it's very sad that you have bought into their propaganda machine.

I saw the expression of joy and exhilaration in Gaza after they heard about the terrorist attack on Thursday. They were dancing in the streets and handing out candy. Have you EVER seen the Israeli people do that? Have you ever seen the residents of Tel-Aviv or Jerusalem gather in the main squares and jump for joy for all the Palestinians killed?

No.....and that is what separates us from the terrorists - Israel celebrates and sanctifies life while the terrorists worship and love death. Radical Islam is all about death and killing the infidels and training their children to be suicide bombers against us in the misguided belief that they will reap the rewards of heaven when they sacrifice their lives for their "cause".

So, to make a long story short, the Israeli campaign against the terrorists in Gaza will continue until the terrorists stop their shelling and rocket fire against us.

And just let me tell you something else: they may kill us but they will NEVER defeat us!! The state of Israel has been here for 60 years and make no mistake that we will be here for the next 60 years and beyond. Long after the terrorists are dead, forgotten and burning in hell for all eternity.

Israel is a peace-loving nation and we have always sought peace with our neighbours - Egypt and Jordan being shining examples - but we WILL defend ourselves against those who seek to destroy us in a war that they cannot and will not win.

Am Yisrael Chai!
Well said......
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Old 03-08-2008, 11:02 PM   #18
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[B]You absolutely have got to be kidding.....

A "military" response? Was this terrorist a soldier? Were those students soldiers? was the library they were studying in an army barracks? Was the library a military target?[B]
I misinterpreted the article. I read it as some form of training academy for soldiers but it is actually a religious school. You are right - it was not a legitimate target.

As such, though I do not support the activities of settlers, I condemn this attack without reservation.
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I misinterpreted the article. I read it as some form of training academy for soldiers but it is actually a religious school. You are right - it was not a legitimate target.

As such, though I do not support the activities of settlers, I condemn this attack without reservation.
I thank you very much for that financeguy.

Unfortunately, there are many who misunderstand this situation and think of Israel as the agressor and the main reason for the neverending cycle of violence in the middle east, and this is entirely not so. We never strike first. All our actions are purely defensive and we never EVER target civillians in our strikes - unlike the other side.
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You absolutely have got to be kidding.....

A "military" response? Was this terrorist a soldier? Were those students soldiers? was the library they were studying in an army barracks? Was the library a military target?

And can you tell me exactly what "war" we're waging against the Palestinians? The Negev area of Israel has been living under constant shelling by Katyusha and Kassam rockets for the past 7 years, injuring civillians (including children). When Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza strip in 2004, the Palestinian terrorists used the evacuated areas to move their Kassam rockets closer to the city of Sderot and continued their relentless shelling of the city - DELIBERATELY targeting our civillian population.

And now the Palestinian terrorists have upgraded the missiles to include longer range missiles that can now reach the city of Ashkelon (which is half an hour from where I live).

Do you really expect Israel to sit back and just take it? To abandon our citizens and leave them as sitting ducks? HELL NO!

For the sake of argument, how would you feel if you lived in NYC and you were constantly being fired on from the New Jersey side, placing you and your family in danger and completely disrupting your life? How would you feel if you couldn't go to work or send your kids to school or even walk down the street without the fear of a rocket falling right next to you and injuring you horribly - as what happened to an 8 year old boy last week whose leg had to be amputated?

It's very easy to sit in your comfortable living room and condemm us for our "war" against the Palestinians but let me tell you something: It is not a war we're waging, we are defending ourselves against the relentless war the terrorists have been waging against us for years. Israel had had enough of sitting and doing nothing.

It is sad that innocent women and children on the Palestinian side are being killed and wounded but that is NOT Israel's fault. Hamas and Islamic Jihad deliberately place their rocket launchers and headquarters among the civillian population of Gaza and they don't give a damm about their own people - quite the opposite: they LOVE when their civillians are killed in Israeli strikes cos then they can picture us as barbarians and it's very sad that you have bought into their propaganda machine.

I saw the expression of joy and exhilaration in Gaza after they heard about the terrorist attack on Thursday. They were dancing in the streets and handing out candy. Have you EVER seen the Israeli people do that? Have you ever seen the residents of Tel-Aviv or Jerusalem gather in the main squares and jump for joy for all the Palestinians killed?

No.....and that is what separates us from the terrorists - Israel celebrates and sanctifies life while the terrorists worship and love death. Radical Islam is all about death and killing the infidels and training their children to be suicide bombers against us in the misguided belief that they will reap the rewards of heaven when they sacrifice their lives for their "cause".

So, to make a long story short, the Israeli campaign against the terrorists in Gaza will continue until the terrorists stop their shelling and rocket fire against us.

And just let me tell you something else: they may kill us but they will NEVER defeat us!! The state of Israel has been here for 60 years and make no mistake that we will be here for the next 60 years and beyond. Long after the terrorists are dead, forgotten and burning in hell for all eternity.

Israel is a peace-loving nation and we have always sought peace with our neighbours - Egypt and Jordan being shining examples - but we WILL defend ourselves against those who seek to destroy us in a war that they cannot and will not win.

Am Yisrael Chai!
I'm printing this post to keep. Best post I've read in my time here.

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