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Old 04-22-2008, 06:48 PM   #76
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Since you’ve been taking a beating 2861U2, I’ll say that I applaud your continued efforts to argue for conservative ideals on FYM.
This is not at all directed at you specifically, Max, or for that matter at 2861U2, but you've hit upon a pet gripe of mine. Basically, I cannot for the life of me understand why conservatism and neo-conservatism are assumed to be the same.

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However, as you've probably realized, this forum is more an outlet for spouting condescending demagogic platitudes than it is about nuanced debate. I do peruse FYM daily, but mainly to get the Left to Far Left view of world events.
I can certainly identify with what you have said here.
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Most people here who are not from the US are probably by your definition far far far far left.

By their local standards many of them may actually just be left of centre if not centrists.
That's probably quite true in general - though not of me personally. Though even still, there are a number of issues that I am way to the left of even the most moderate US Republican.
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...I'm not sure what far right is anymore...is it classic free-market small-government capitalist or or big-government legislate morality theocracy?
I'd argue neither, it's probably more along the lines of the type of conservatism A_Wanderer has alluded to here:-

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...But there is a type of conservatives for whom preserving the best of the past is replaced with reactionary sentiment, and thats plain ugly.
For example, Ron Paul, though clearly not a far rightist, unfortunately seemed to be attracting the approval of some far right elements.

Having said that, the fringe of the 'big-government legislate morality theocracy' types, the Christian Dominionsts, probably do qualify as far right, even though usually not avowed racists.
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I cannot for the life of me understand why conservatism and neo-conservatism are assumed to be the same.
I'm always amused by this as well, I think some have done a great job blurring the line and then selling it well to the American public, and now the younger generation doesn't even know there is a difference, they still use the slogans of old but don't really live by them.
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This is not at all directed at you specifically, Max, or for that matter at 2861U2, but you've hit upon a pet gripe of mine. Basically, I cannot for the life of me understand why conservatism and neo-conservatism are assumed to be the same.
I'm a bit confused--are you suggesting you see a distinctly 'neo'-conservative slant to their views on global warming specifically, or were you referring to FYM more generally?

Not trying to speak for either of them, but I think one reason for the imprecision may be that 'neoconservative' (and even more so, 'neocon') is often used, and perceived, here as a pejorative term--it's not uncommon to hear people, especially people who aren't conservative, use the word as if it means 'any particularly loathsome person who seems to be generally conservative'. Not unlike the way some people who would've comfortably identified as 'liberal' 25 years ago now prefer 'progressive' instead, at least in certain social environments--the word is too often pronounced as if it denotes despicable personal qualities rather than political stances. Another symptom of our highly polarized politics here, I suppose...
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