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Old 04-18-2008, 09:22 AM   #31
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Really. Light bulbs? A total abuse of government?!
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And it's always funny to me when conservatives get pissed about their "personal choices" being taken away when it's about something as trivial as light bulbs. :snicker: When many of them are all about taking my "personal choices" away from me.
And it's funny how liberals, when it comes to global warming, believe the government knows best, and the government should be involved in all aspects of life, yet many of them oppose the 2nd Amendment given in the Constitution and many of them want the government to stay out of their personal lives and allow marriage to be redefined.
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Old 04-18-2008, 09:23 AM   #32
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And you have no problem with the government forcing things on others with regards to marriage, abortion, and so on?
There's quite a difference in the government supporting a baby's right to live (or, excuse me, you guys like "a woman's right to choose") and outlawing a type of light bulb and accusing me of hating the environment.
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many of them want the government to stay out of their personal lives and allow marriage to be redefined.
You don't even see the irony in this quote, do you.
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There's quite a difference in the government supporting a baby's right to live (or, excuse me, you guys like "a woman's right to choose") and outlawing a type of light bulb ....



Yeah, there is a difference. I'm glad you see it.
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There's quite a difference in the government supporting a baby's right to live (or, excuse me, you guys like "a woman's right to choose") and outlawing a type of light bulb and accusing me of hating the environment.
Well good thing you're fighting the good fight to end all abortions so that future children can live underwater. But then you don't even believe in evolution, so you can't really hope that they'll adapt.
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Again, I'm a fan of trees.
You keep missing my point so I guess I'll be literal: Why are you against practices that help conserve the environment, including but not limited to: trees, the rainforests (and therby preserving the numerous endangared species), the air we all breathe, the oceans that house the majority of the worlds animals (and by the way, the ocean some of us swim in, and I can attest to it's growing filth over the the years), the dependence on fossil fuels that are steadily increasing in price, both monetary and human, etc?
Forget that the government has anything to do with it and just think about the personal choice you have open to you right now to do something better for the environment.


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Well that's a dumb hypothetical, so it's hard to answer. What I don't like is the government telling me what to do and the government outlawing the sale of light bulbs, eliminating my personal choice. It's a total abuse of government.
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The federal govenrment says replacing one incandescent lightbulb with a compact fluorescent in every household would save enough energy to light 2.5 million homes for a year.
How is this a bad thing? Because it eliminates your option of buying cheaper light bulbs that won't last as long in the long run? We can do better than that. Think about your own purchases, aside from the environment. Do you buy things based on how quickly they will satisfy your need at the moment, or do you think about the long run?


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Fine. But I don't want the government forcing things on me, and saying I hate the earth if I don't comply.
Nah, they aren't the ones saying you hate the earth. I'm the one who is saying that you hate the earth because you can't look past these petty partisan differences to ensure a cleaner earth that you live in and share with an infinite number of species.
I'm sure you have no problem with the government asking the taxpayers to pay for a war that the majority of the U.S. does not endorse, but we are going to do it anyway.
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And it's funny how liberals, when it comes to global warming, believe the government knows best, and the government should be involved in all aspects of life, yet many of them oppose the 2nd Amendment given in the Constitution and many of them want the government to stay out of their personal lives and allow marriage to be redefined.
The ends always justify the means if you believe in the cause, but I don't think that your cause has freedom as the end product; the disdain towards sexual liberties.

Gay marriage has no effect on you whatsoever, in fact if they stop having to protest about it I am sure that you will feel more comfortable as you shall have to read about those others even less. Ending a form of discrimination by the state is a pro-liberty thing.

But there is a type of conservatives for whom preserving the best of the past is replaced with reactionary sentiment, and thats plain ugly.
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And you have no problem with the government forcing things on others with regards to marriage, abortion, and so on?

I think it is time for you to wake up and realize you live in a global community and consider making decisions that benefit others besides just yourself. Conservative parties in other countries are also pro-environment. Your "partisan" labeling is just a piss poor excuse so that you can continue to live your selfish lifestyle. Like I said, I've been to poor communities where people don't have much, yet you don't see them complaining about light bulbs. They too are doing what they can to preserve and consume less energy.
I will only do it if it is in my self interest, I could help the environment a lot more and get a lot more value for money installing double glazed windows and getting curtains to cut down my heating and air conditioning use. I think that it is healthy to look at energy use involved in production of certain items and take the whole lifetime energy required before jumping on any feel good bandwagon; in some instances the conservative approach may be greener than the seemingly better alternative (but that is a consequence of the economy of scale so it can only become cheaper when everybody embraces the new - in that respect I think state coercion will work but that says nothing of the ethics of that force).
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Outrageous.
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Outrageous.
How dare she cheapen the great sacrifice of our soldiers by comparing them to a bunch of kids.
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I don't like liberals (who are supposed to be all about personal liberty, right?) telling me what cars to drive, and what light bulbs I can and can't have, and what foods I should and shouldn't be eating, and the list goes on and on of all the things the left says I can't do/have.
Fine. As long as you are willing to NEVER tell me or anyone else what I/they can or cannot do. Period.

Are you willing to do that?

If so, fine. Drive whatever car you want. Eat whatever you want. Use whatever lightbulb you want. Do whatever you want. But don't you even think about ever restricting anyone else's right to do whatever they want to also.
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^Not gonna happen...

This is how neo-cons paint themselves in a corner.
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What makes you think that he is a neo-con? theo-con perhaps.
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