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Old 04-18-2008, 02:10 AM   #16
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No thanks. I've already done enough research to know better than to fall for the nonsense. I've seen plenty of science suggesting otherwise. That's the problem. Not enough people are doing actual research and making up their own minds.
I've seen your research... Let me tell you, you have a long way to go.
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No. It's a bunch of veterans angry over a stupid cause and a ridiculous use of a picture.

If I was in WW2, or if I was one of the men in that picture, .
the men in that picture were just pretending

it was an reenactment
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Oh my God, a World War II metaphor!
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They did it to get this kind of attention, I would imagine. So it's working. I don't think it's a stupid cause.

To say it's a mortal sin and they're going to hell for it like that article says, well that's ridiculous. Looking at that picture honestly it is a bit disturbing/disconcerting to me, but that's what magazines do to sell magazines. I think they probably should have made a different decision- it's an extreme to get a desired reaction.
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No.

I get angry ....
You get all fired up about nearly everything in FYM. You're furious when a Democrat says something lame, you scared when a Democrat says pretty much anything, you get pissed when pretty much anything you disagree with is actually considered by people.

Not everything is worth the high blood pressure.

And over reacting to all this doesn't do you any good when you really do have something to be outraged about.
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Old 04-18-2008, 08:31 AM   #21
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Mind sharing that research then?

I'd be glad too, if someone wants to start a different topic. It seems a little off-topic in this thread.
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Because "we" (ie. many in the US) don't want to change our lifestyle at all. That's why.
I don't like liberals (who are supposed to be all about personal liberty, right?) telling me what cars to drive, and what light bulbs I can and can't have, and what foods I should and shouldn't be eating, and the list goes on and on of all the things the left says I can't do/have.
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You get all fired up about nearly everything in FYM. You're furious when a Democrat says something lame, you scared when a Democrat says pretty much anything, you get pissed when pretty much anything you disagree with is actually considered by people.

Not everything is worth the high blood pressure.

And over reacting to all this doesn't do you any good when you really do have something to be outraged about.
No, it's only the really stupid, unchallenged lies that I get angry over. 99% of the posts in FYM I disagree with. Doesn't mean I'm sitting here with an angry look on my face all the time.

And when did I ever say I was outraged? I said that if I was a WW2 vet and I saw this magazine, I would be outraged.
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I don't like liberals (who are supposed to be all about personal liberty, right?) telling me what cars to drive, and what light bulbs I can and can't have, and what foods I should and shouldn't be eating, and the list goes on and on of all the things the left says I can't do/have.
I guess, then, if it weren't for "the liberals," then you'd still be driving a 7 mpg loud clunker. Even then, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't it Republicans who started the first laws mandating fuel efficiency in the 1970s? That certainly hasn't stopped us from having every type of car under the sun, so I'm not sure what else you're looking for here.

Wasn't it Bush who supported the law phasing out traditional (and, by conservative standards, "traditional" must be better!) light bulbs? A lot of "the liberals" have been decrying this as a token gesture that will have limited results.

I also don't see the GOP pushing to eliminate the food pyramid either. Short of calls against trans fat (which nobody will miss, but still isn't banned everywhere), what other food are "the liberals" preventing you from eating?

Really, I think you're confusing "liberal" with "statist." The GOP is certainly not anti-statist, that's for sure.
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I don't like liberals (who are supposed to be all about personal liberty, right?) telling me what cars to drive, and what light bulbs I can and can't have, and what foods I should and shouldn't be eating, and the list goes on and on of all the things the left says I can't do/have.
It's not so much telling you what you can and can't have as it is about being open to the idea that there is better way of doing things. A way that still lets you have the comforts of modern life, but doesn't blatantly abuse the environment around you. Are you against having clean air to breathe, or clean water to drink, more efficient cars, new means of providing electricity, getting rid of a dependence on the middle east? Or do you believe that those goals are not worth any sacrifice you would may have to make?

It's precisely people like you that caused Time to come out with such a dramatic cover. The people that are so closed minded about the issue, that they openly dismiss anything to do with the environment as junk science or infringing upon your life. Can you see why Time thinks this is such a tough task and went with such bold imagery.
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I don't like liberals (who are supposed to be all about personal liberty, right?) telling me what cars to drive, and what light bulbs I can and can't have, and what foods I should and shouldn't be eating, and the list goes on and on of all the things the left says I can't do/have.
Then I pose the question again: Why do you hate trees?

If someone says that this light bulb will save 10 trees from destruction (hypotheticals, again) as well as save you $20 a month in electricity bills, why would you keep your old bulbs? Is it out of spite? I'm starting to think it is.

We can be better.

And to further prove that it's not a partisan issue but a worldly issue: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.a...20070301c.html

Hey, look, it calls out Gore in his hypocrisy! Go go go go go!
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Then I pose the question again: Why do you hate trees?
Again, I'm a fan of trees.

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If someone says that this light bulb will save 10 trees from destruction (hypotheticals, again) as well as save you $20 a month in electricity bills, why would you keep your old bulbs? Is it out of spite? I'm starting to think it is.
Well that's a dumb hypothetical, so it's hard to answer. What I don't like is the government telling me what to do and the government outlawing the sale of light bulbs, eliminating my personal choice. It's a total abuse of government.


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We can be better.
Fine. But I don't want the government forcing things on me, and saying I hate the earth if I don't comply.
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I don't like liberals (who are supposed to be all about personal liberty, right?) telling me what cars to drive, and what light bulbs I can and can't have, and what foods I should and shouldn't be eating, and the list goes on and on of all the things the left says I can't do/have.
I don't like being told that I need to respect traditional family values, say no to drugs, not enjoy the benefits of stem cell research, not have sex until marriage and that I must respect a person for their faith.

I especially don't like it when people take those sayings and use government force to coerce me into doing it, to that end mainstream social conservatives have more than enough to answer for.
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What I don't like is the government telling me what to do and the government outlawing the sale of light bulbs, eliminating my personal choice. It's a total abuse of government.
Really. Light bulbs? A total abuse of government?!

This is what I meant earlier. Everything's an extreme with you.



And it's always funny to me when conservatives get pissed about their "personal choices" being taken away when it's about something as trivial as light bulbs. :snicker: When many of them are all about taking my "personal choices" away from me.
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Fine. But I don't want the government forcing things on me, and saying I hate the earth if I don't comply.
And you have no problem with the government forcing things on others with regards to marriage, abortion, and so on?

I think it is time for you to wake up and realize you live in a global community and consider making decisions that benefit others besides just yourself. Conservative parties in other countries are also pro-environment. Your "partisan" labeling is just a piss poor excuse so that you can continue to live your selfish lifestyle. Like I said, I've been to poor communities where people don't have much, yet you don't see them complaining about light bulbs. They too are doing what they can to preserve and consume less energy.
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