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Old 12-20-2005, 02:02 AM   #1
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It's Official - America has gone to HELL

Agents' visit chills UMass Dartmouth senior

By AARON NICODEMUS, Standard-Times staff writer

NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."
Two history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glyn Williams and Robert Pontbriand, said the student told them he requested the book through the UMass Dartmouth library's interlibrary loan program.
The student, who was completing a research paper on Communism for Professor Pontbriand's class on fascism and totalitarianism, filled out a form for the request, leaving his name, address, phone number and Social Security number. He was later visited at his parents' home in New Bedford by two agents of the Department of Homeland Security, the professors said.
The professors said the student was told by the agents that the book is on a "watch list," and that his background, which included significant time abroad, triggered them to investigate the student further.
"I tell my students to go to the direct source, and so he asked for the official Peking version of the book," Professor Pontbriand said. "Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring inter-library loans, because that's what triggered the visit, as I understand it."
Although The Standard-Times knows the name of the student, he is not coming forward because he fears repercussions should his name become public. He has not spoken to The Standard-Times.
The professors had been asked to comment on a report that President Bush had authorized the National Security Agency to spy on as many as 500 people at any given time since 2002 in this country.
The eavesdropping was apparently done without warrants.
The Little Red Book, is a collection of quotations and speech excerpts from Chinese leader Mao Tse-Tung.
In the 1950s and '60s, during the Cultural Revolution in China, it was required reading. Although there are abridged versions available, the student asked for a version translated directly from the original book.
The student told Professor Pontbriand and Dr. Williams that the Homeland Security agents told him the book was on a "watch list." They brought the book with them, but did not leave it with the student, the professors said.
Dr. Williams said in his research, he regularly contacts people in Afghanistan, Chechnya and other Muslim hot spots, and suspects that some of his calls are monitored.
"My instinct is that there is a lot more monitoring than we think," he said.
Dr. Williams said he had been planning to offer a course on terrorism next semester, but is reconsidering, because it might put his students at risk.
"I shudder to think of all the students I've had monitoring al-Qaeda Web sites, what the government must think of that," he said. "Mao Tse-Tung is completely harmless."

they can not get Bin Laden???

But they got time and tax payer money for this shit?

We have nut bags running this country.

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Old 12-20-2005, 02:21 AM   #2
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I wondered if I was being watched last semester when I did a course in Islam, and did a huge research paper on Chechen terrorism. I've checked out so many books on Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin that it's not funny. But I didn't request any books through inter-library so maybe I flew under the radar. I kept joking they'll knock on my door, and my friends said "They don't knock."

You've said it--I cannot believe THIS is what Homeland Security spends its time on.

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Old 12-20-2005, 02:26 AM   #3
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All dissent must be crushed guys. I personally do my reading IN the library wherever possible, thus avoiding the messy business of crossing its boundaries.
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Old 12-20-2005, 04:46 AM   #4
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Huh... that could be me. background which included significant time abroad.

Good to not live in America. suits knocking on my door and asking questions, reminds me of the SS.
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:27 AM   #5
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Re: It's Official - America has gone to HELL

Originally posted by deep
We have nut bags running this country.
That pretty much goes without saying. We've got nuts chasing after fanatics.

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Old 12-20-2005, 07:53 AM   #6
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I'm sorry but why is the Dept. of Homeland Security worried about a book about Communism? Last time I checked, the Cold War was pretty much over in the early '90s, the biggest threat to our country is not a Communist but an Islamic extremist, Cuba isn't even close to be a threat to us anymore and the largest Communist country in the world is the largest importer of goods to the U.S. Am I missing something?

There's a button that I keep meaning to get for my back pack that says "A banned book is a book worth reading." How true.
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we've got to protect our freedom by limiting our freedom. it makes sense to me, guys. freedom. did i mention our freedom and how the terrorists hate it? freedom.
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"The burning of an author’s books, imprisonment for opinion’s sake, has always been the tribute that an ignorant age pays to the genius of its time."
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I read and did research on the Communist Manifesto this summer...I wonder if they'll be after me soon
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Re: Re: It's Official - America has gone to HELL

Originally posted by melon

We've got nuts chasing after fanatics.

Perfect description of this administration.

I hope his supporters are proud.
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And every once in a while you will get a post on this forum by somebody saying they'd rather live in America than anywhere else, because you've got the most freedom in the world.

If that's freedom, I rather enjoy my occupation here in Canada.
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According to recent press reports, Pentagon officials have been spying on what they call "suspicious" meetings by civilian groups, including student groups opposed to the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" ban on lesbian, gay and bisexual military personnel. The story, first reported by Lisa Myers and NBC News last week, noted that Pentagon investigators had records pertaining to April protests at the State University of New York at Albany and William Patterson College in New Jersey. A February protest at NYU was also listed, along with the law school's LGBT advocacy group OUTlaw, which was classified as "possibly violent" by the Pentagon. A UC-Santa Cruz "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" protest, which included a gay kiss-in, was labeled as a "credible threat" of terrorism.
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I'm wondering if I'm going to get a visit from the friendly local officers because I'm researching Islam. This includes meeting some local Muslims. Are *we* going to get visits? This scares the out of me.
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I'm just suprised someone from UMass-Dartmouth read a book. Knowing a bunch of people that went there and what they're like, I would call it a minor miracle.

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