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Old 12-20-2005, 08:26 PM   #46
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I'm not sure nbcrusader is really *attacking* the forum. Rather, he is referring to our own leftist bent. I admit it, I'm a lefty, and so are the majority of people who post in this forum. Of course this is nothing to be ashamed of but it's true.
I don't mean to bang on about this but I honestly disagree with any suggestion that most here have a 'leftist bent'. I think that such perceptions are possibly a symptom of the US political scene which seems to me, speaking as an outsider, to have a sort of built-in right wing bias.

Personally I'm not a leftie OR a conservative, I don't want to be in either camp.

But I have to say some of you would be rather shocked if you browsed threads on an Irish political discussion forum I sometimes look at!

There are even (argh, the horror!) genuine 'lefties' on it, i.e. people who advocate various forms of socialism. There are others on this other forum who are conservatives, and even 4 or 5 who would largely admire and support the policies of Bush - but overall, there is MUCH more of a leftie bias than there is here.
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Although having delivered myself of the above no doubt inconsequential ramblings, it occurs to me that the majority of our American FYM contributors seem to be in tune with the American populace given Bush's recent poll ratings.
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I don't mean to bang on about this but I honestly disagree with any suggestion that most here have a 'leftist bent'. I think that such perceptions are possibly a symptom of the US political scene which seems to me, speaking as an outsider, to have a sort of built-in right wing bias.

Personally I'm not a leftie OR a conservative, I don't want to be in either camp.

But I have to say some of you would be rather shocked if you browsed threads on an Irish political discussion forum I sometimes look at!

There are even (argh, the horror!) genuine 'lefties' on it, i.e. people who advocate various forms of socialism. There are others on this other forum who are conservatives, and even 4 or 5 who would largely admire and support the policies of Bush - but overall, there is MUCH more of a leftie bias than there is here.
There is a guy from Belfast on some other U2 list I'm on, and he's a socialist. He does make the Americans on the list look pretty conservative--including yours truly. I'm for some socialist-type stuff like national health insurance, but on the whole, we Americans do tilt rightward in matters political, look at who we elected president twice.
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There is a guy from Belfast on some other U2 list I'm on, and he's a socialist. He does make the Americans on the list look pretty conservative--including yours truly. I'm for some socialist-type stuff like national health insurance, but on the whole, we Americans do tilt rightward in matters political, look at who we elected president twice.
Interesting points there Verte. The funny thing is, national health insurance in Europe is not really viewed as a socialist policy or platform. For example, the right wing Conservative party was in power in Britain for close to 2 decades - and it left the National Health Service for the most part intact.
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I don't mean to bang on about this but I honestly disagree with any suggestion that most here have a 'leftist bent'. I think that such perceptions are possibly a symptom of the US political scene which seems to me, speaking as an outsider, to have a sort of built-in right wing bias.


yup.

totally agree.

i'd also say that this forum has a "religion bias."
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The funniest part of the story was that the professor said Mao was completely harmless. I thought being a professor meant he had education?


Also, FYM has become completely frightening. NBC barely said anything and he got torched for it. There is no more atmosphere of debate but rather one of moving in lockstep and those who dare speak something different (dread, nbc, sting) are castigated, drawn and quartered, and roasted.
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The funniest part of the story was that the professor said Mao was completely harmless. I thought being a professor meant he had education?


Also, FYM has become completely frightening. NBC barely said anything and he got torched for it. There is no more atmosphere of debate but rather one of moving in lockstep and those who dare speak something different (dread, nbc, sting) are castigated, drawn and quartered, and roasted.
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Also, FYM has become completely frightening. NBC barely said anything and he got torched for it. There is no more atmosphere of debate but rather one of moving in lockstep and those who dare speak something different (dread, nbc, sting) are castigated, drawn and quartered, and roasted.
Sounds like a rather one-sided assessment to me.

And as Anitram alluded to in her post, let's not pretend the insults only fly one way around here.

But yeah I agree some of us, and I include myself, should make a greater effort to think before we post.
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The funniest part of the story was that the professor said Mao was completely harmless. I thought being a professor meant he had education?


Also, FYM has become completely frightening. NBC barely said anything and he got torched for it. There is no more atmosphere of debate but rather one of moving in lockstep and those who dare speak something different (dread, nbc, sting) are castigated, drawn and quartered, and roasted.
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I agree that the American political mindset is as a whole more conservative than in Europe (rest of the world?)...although about Ireland I was under the impression that it was one of the more conservative of the European countries. Anyway when it's a thread about American politics, I think people are usually speaking about the American political spectrum when they say it leans left.

Ft Worth Frog...I seriously doubt the professor saw Mao as harmless, literally. I think he meant that in this age a more significant potential threat comes from people who visit Islamic terror training websites for example, than people who read the little red book!
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The funniest part of the story was that the professor said Mao was completely harmless. I thought being a professor meant he had education?
Do you think Mao is a threat?

He's been dead and...embalmed for years now.

I'm not going to defend a professor I don't know, but I honestly doubt he was saying "Mao's a great guy." I believe he was speaking in the current context, yes? Since Homeland Security's focus is supposed to be terrorism, largely the Al-Qaida kind, I would have to concur with his statement. I don't know of any terrorist attacks where the suicide bomber quoted the Little Red Book before detonating.

I wouldn't expect any professor to list Mao's crimes, or Stalin's, in an article about one of his students and their run-in with Homeland Security. That's just stupid.
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Then it seems to me that he should have chosen his words a little more carefully. Mao murdered millions and showed no regret for it whatsoever and the sad thing is many people look at him like some kind of folk hero. Even though he is dead his ideas still live on...and they are dangerous ideas the same as Hitler's, Lenin's, and Stalin's.
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Also, FYM has become completely frightening. NBC barely said anything and he got torched for it. There is no more atmosphere of debate but rather one of moving in lockstep and those who dare speak something different (dread, nbc, sting) are castigated, drawn and quartered, and roasted.


oh for chrissakes.

i was objecting to a pattern i have been noticing, and saw twice today alone, of NBC bashing the entire forum. there was nothing political about it, nothing about a lockstep mentality, it was all about extending the courtesy to others that he (rightfully) demands for himself.

and it was just me who jumped on his back. so don't make the mistake of blaming all of FYM for the actions of one poster.

also, if you go back and read some of the posts by some of those you mention, it's hardly as one-sided as you make it out to be -- there contentious things posted, on both sides, and i know that all of those people you mentioned are more than capable of defending themselves and their positions.
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Maoists raise suicide squads

The possibility of the CPI (Maoist) raising 'suicide squads' has sent shivers down the spine of Bihar police.

According to intelligence reports, the celebrations held on December 25 by the Maoists in Nepal, just 20 km from Sheohar district in Bihar, to mark the 25th foundation day of People's Guerrilla Army (PLA), saw 12 PLA members taking an oath to "lay down our lives in the battlefield for the poor".

During the celebrations, the outfit's central committee member Praveen pledged to take their military offensive to "a new height".

He also hailed the "vast growth" of the organisation in Bihar. The attack on Jehanabad jail, during which over 200 Maoists were forcibly freed on November 13 midnight, was referred to as a "great achievement", intelligence sources said.

"The motivation level of extremists, specially youths among them, is as high as that of Islamic terrorists. If the Naxalites carry out their threats, it can be as damaging as the fidayeen attack," said an IG-rank official.
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