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Old 11-06-2006, 05:42 PM   #181
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Actually, I think the vast majority of people I know would identify as Christian, most of my family included. The degree of intensity varies though, from those who are probably just Christian because that's how they were raised, and they've never bothered to question, or think about it very deeply, to full-blow born-again evangelicals.
Identifying oneself as a Christian doesn't make one a Christian. According to the Bible, no one is a Christian because they were "raised that way" or because they attend a Christian church. Becoming a Christian is a concious choice that results in a completely changed spirit and nature. According to the Bible, the only kind of Christian is a "born again" Christian, be it a Catholic "born again" Christian, a Methodist "born again" Christian, a Baptist "born again" Christian, whatever.
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According to the Bible, the only kind of Christian is a "born again" Christian,
The term "born again" in use with American culture and the Bible are two different things.
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Identifying oneself as a Christian doesn't make one a Christian. According to the Bible, no one is a Christian because they were "raised that way" or because they attend a Christian church. Becoming a Christian is a concious choice that results in a completely changed spirit and nature. According to the Bible, the only kind of Christian is a "born again" Christian, be it a Catholic "born again" Christian, a Methodist "born again" Christian, a Baptist "born again" Christian, whatever.

Yes, I'm aware of the definition of Christianity, but thanks.
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Yes, I'm aware of the definition of Christianity, but thanks.
Then why did you post

"those who are probably just Christian because that's how they were raised, and they've never bothered to question"?
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The term "born again" in use with American culture and the Bible are two different things.
What I posted was the Biblical definition of "born again".
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Then why did you post

"those who are probably just Christian because that's how they were raised, and they've never bothered to question"?
Unlike some, I don't believe that it is up to me to judge their level of religion, or their sincerity. If they identify as Christian, I am not about to argue with them, I accept it at face-value.
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What I posted was the Biblical definition of "born again".
Um, I understand that, but you seemed to have misunderstood VintagePunk's post...
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Unlike some, I don't believe that it is up to me to judge their level of religion, or their sincerity. If they identify as Christian, I am not about to argue with them, I accept it at face-value.
The fact that the term "Christian" is so often misunderstood, misapplied, and down-right misdefined is all the more reason to probe deeper than a mere label someone might apply to himself.

Fior instance, if I am starting to share the Gospel with someone, and he tells me "I'm a Christian", I'll try to find out exactly what he thinks a Christian is. If he's defining himself as a Christian simple because he was brought up in a Christian church, he needs to know that, according to the Bible, he's not a Christian.
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Um, I understand that, but you seemed to have misunderstood VintagePunk's post...
Ok, what was the point of VintagePunk's post, and how does the following statement by you relate to it?

"the term "born again" in use with American culture and the Bible are two different things"

And VP, please don't answer this. I want BVS to tell me.
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Ok, what was the point of VintagePunk's post, and how does the following statement by you relate to it?

"the term "born again" in use with American culture and the Bible are two different things"

And VP, please don't answer this. I want BVS to tell me.
The term "born again" usually refers to evangelical fundamentalists who emphasize their personal experience of conversion. Usually a conversion that happened later in life.
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So by your definition quoted from the Bible, many people who identify themselves with a religion are actually athiests?
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So by your definition quoted from the Bible, many people who identify themselves with a religion are actually athiests?
I don't understand what makes you think I was saying that.

All Christians believe in God, but many people who believe in God are not Christians. "Believing in God" does not equal "being a Christian".
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The term "born again" usually refers to evangelical fundamentalists who emphasize their personal experience of conversion. Usually a conversion that happened later in life.
The conversion experience you're speaking of is the "born again" experience, so it's only natural that they'd be called "born again".

Maybe the part that I am not understanding stems from this part of your statement:

"Usually a conversion that happened later in life."

In all the times that I've heard the media/society refer to born again Christians, I've never heard a distinction being made about when the conversion experience occurred. If that has something vital to do with your point, then that is why I may not be understanding you.
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My question is what do you call this person who believes in God, calls themselves a Christian, but does not meet that standard?
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My question is what do you call this person who believes in God, calls themselves a Christian, but does not meet that standard?
I don't know what a technical term for it would be, I guess I'd call him "someone who believes in God". There are many groups of people who believe in God, and yet aren't Christians: Jews, Muslims, etc, as well as people who don't prescribe to any set system of beliefs about God, but believe that there is a higher power.
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