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Old 11-06-2006, 12:40 PM   #166
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He doesn't say being left handed or writing left handed is a sin. He does say that acting out homosexual desires is indeed a sin - and I accept everything else God says - so why throw out this one?

There are many things that will remain a mystery to humans. Our finite minds simply cannot comprehend the totality of God’s plan for us. And we are not asked to understand everything. We are asked to surrender our hearts and minds to Jesus Christ, and allow His Spirit to become our logic, our morality, our love, and our character.
Are there other of God's "laws" that don't make sense? And why does it only talk about gay men and not women? Are lesbians fine?
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Really? Worshipping some piece of wood seems logical to you?
Can you explain?
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Old 11-06-2006, 12:43 PM   #168
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Can you explain?
A carved out totem pole or some earth goddess figurine...i.e. an idol.

Not just wood - but gold, stone, diamond, chocolate...whatever.
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Hurt feelings do not rate as harm; if they were they we might as well criminalise speech that makes people feel bad.

Nobody has an inalienable right for fidelity in their spouse. Nobody has a right to not get their heart broken by a cheater.
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You'll toss around and call my name
You'll walk the floor the wayI do
Your cheatin' heart will tell on you
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You really need to listen to more country music Wanderer. It's all about cheating so it must be hurting someone.
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A carved out totem pole or some earth goddess figurine...i.e. an idol.

Not just wood - but gold, stone, diamond, chocolate...whatever.
Like give a modern day worse case scenario example.
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Like give a modern day worse case scenario example.
Idolatry is about worshipping ANYTHING before God. I think the modern worst case scenario is the worshipping of material wealth.
After that, in America, it is probably the ridiculous worship of celebrities.
If you want a specific example of worshipping carved out idols, voodoo comes to mind.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by AEON


After that, in America, it is probably the ridiculous worship of celebrities.
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Except Bono and U2....right???
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There are many things that will remain a mystery to humans. Our finite minds simply cannot comprehend the totality of God’s plan for us.
This is where you and I completely agree.

I would add that we cannot comprehend His plan for others, either. Which makes their plan and path none of my business.
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If you want a specific example of worshipping carved out idols, voodoo comes to mind.
Seriously, you do not approve of a statue representing some person you might admire? This is not "worship"; statues in a museum, a church, or in a home somewhere.
I can't comment on voodoo since I'm not a voodoo-ist. (is that a word?)
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Seriously, you do not approve of a statue representing some person you might admire? This is not "worship"; statues in a museum, a church, or in a home somewhere.
I can't comment on voodoo since I'm not a voodoo-ist. (is that a word?)
There is a difference between representation and worship.
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There is a difference between representation and worship.
....just checking.
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So once again, His followers have lost me with all of their inconsistancies...
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That's a common misconception held by people who don't understand the nature of salvation. When a person becomes a Christian, the Bible tells us that he is "born again". His spirit, which once was dead, is made alive and joined with the Holy Spirit. He becomes a "new creation". His sin nature (that drive/propulsion to sin) is crucified, and is replaced with a new nature, created by Christ. This new nature changes the person'd desires. In his inner man/his perfect spirit, a Christian doesn't "want to" sin. That isn't to say that a Christian doesn't sin, because the flesh and spirit are often at war. However, when I do sin, I am convicted of it by the Holy Spirit. I hate sinning.

Are there people who claim to be Christians that seem to really enjoy sinning, don't care that they're sinning, and appear to use salvation as a license to sin? Yes, there are. But based on what the Bible says about the nature of salvation and "being born again", I would find cause to question in my heart whether these people are truly "born again".
No, I do understand the nature of it, very well.

While your explanation is fine in theory, in practical terms, very few Christians I know of fit these standards and choose to live their lives that way. In fact, I can think of only one offhand. In your life, and in the people you're surrounded by, it may be very different, and those who take part in the sin and repent cycle with little thought given are in the minority.

Does that mean that there are far fewer real Christians? Is it a question of intent, or sincerity?

When non-believers do something wrong, it's also likely for them to struggle with it on a moral, ethical, intra/interpersonal level. Having a conscience is not exclusive to religion.
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While your explanation is fine in theory, in practical terms, very few Christians I know of fit these standards and choose to live their lives that way. In fact, I can think of only one offhand. In your life, and in the people you're surrounded by, it may be very different, and those who take part in the sin and repent cycle with little thought given are in the minority.
Vintage Punk, do you surround yourselves with Christians, or do you just spend time with a few? I am surrounded with Christians, and the vast majority of them are very sincere and try to live God's purpose for their lives.

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Does that mean that there are far fewer real Christians? Is it a question of intent, or sincerity?
It's a question of whether a person truly believes and commits to Christianity. If the person never truly committed to Christ, it will show in his actions, attitudes and bahavior.

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When non-believers do something wrong, it's also likely for them to struggle with it on a moral, ethical, intra/interpersonal level. Having a conscience is not exclusive to religion.
Eveyone has a concience, that's exactly right. However, not everyone has the Hioly Spirit. Christians have the Holy Spirit.
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Vintage Punk, do you surround yourselves with Christians, or do you just spend time with a few? I am surrounded with Christians, and the vast majority of them are very sincere and try to live God's purpose for their lives.



It's a question of whether a person truly believes and commits to Christianity. If the person never truly committed to Christ, it will show in his actions, attitudes and bahavior.



Eveyone has a concience, that's exactly right. However, not everyone has the Hioly Spirit. Christians have the Holy Spirit.
Actually, I think the vast majority of people I know would identify as Christian, most of my family included. The degree of intensity varies though, from those who are probably just Christian because that's how they were raised, and they've never bothered to question, or think about it very deeply, to full-blow born-again evangelicals.

I agree, that's the distinction I was making, that while religious devotion and belief and listening to your conscience are not mutually exclusive, they can be very separate, two distinctly different things.
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