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Old 10-31-2005, 04:43 PM   #31
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Who cares? I think their qualifications and experience matter a lot more than traits (i.e. gender, skin colour) that they didn't even choose.


i think people who aren't straight, white, christian males might be a little upset at the fact that there is no representation of different walks of life on the judicial body that pretty much determines the social climate of the United States.

people who aren't straight, white, christian males are well aware that their minority status in life often offers a different perspective on life and the law.
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I guess qualifications are no longer important if you can try and derail a nomination with shots at race, sex or religion.

no, he seems immensely qualified. wrong, but qualified.

its the overall character of the court that people are concerned about.

the whole idea of "race doesn't matter" is a myth pushed by white people to absolve themselves of the reality of social difference.
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the whole idea of "race doesn't matter" is a myth pushed by white people to absolve themselves of the reality of social difference.
Bringing in race at this point is a sad way to steer the conversation.

You never mentioned race when a white woman was nominated.

I guess it is not the principle, but what ever weapon seems most handy to attack the other side.
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the whole idea of "race doesn't matter" is a myth pushed by white people to absolve themselves of the reality of social difference.
If only Janice Rogers Brown had been nominated......we would all be holding hands singing Kumbaya.

Oh wait.....
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Bringing in race at this point is a sad way to steer the conversation.

You never mentioned race when a white woman was nominated.

I guess it is not the principle, but what ever weapon seems most handy to attack the other side.


a woman represents an important "minority" status.

it seems entirely reasonable to believe that being a woman has impacted Sandra Day O'Connor's judicial philosphy as well as Ruth Bader Ginsberg's judicial philosophy. same thing with being an African-American for Clarence Thomas.

the law is a living, malleable thing; it is not crunching numbers in an accounting office. these are human beings interpeting a very old document. it astonishes me when people say that "race doesn't matter."
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He is Catholic...giving them the majority of the court....awful.
He is white....fuck that man....can't have a white.
He is straight....by golly, there are not enough gays on the court...
He is male...holy shite...can't have that.


don't worry Dread. with Bush, we're slowly working towards an all straight, white, Christian, male court.

at last, the straight white male Christians will finally have some say in our society!
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race
religion
and
gender

should not matter

Blacks referred to Clinton as this first African American President because of his stance and attitude on race issues

he is wrong
because his thinking is too narrow

Spousal notification?

is the basis for that in the constitution?

I guess the founding fathers believed in slavery and male dominance over women

We have had some amendments,
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race
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gender

should not matter

Blacks referred to Clinton as this first African American President because of his stance and attitude on race issues


wow, a rare moment when i disagree with Deep.

also "blacks" is going a bit far -- you might say "Toni Morrison said that ..."

however, it is true that Clinton and the HRC-Bomb are passioantely supported by African-Americans. but that has more to do with, as you say, his stance and attitudes rather than being a de facto member of a certain race.

i'm sorry, but being female or minority or gay or whatever does affect how you interpret and understand the world, and it seems logical that it would affect how you would interpret and understand the law.
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Spousal notification?

is the basis for that in the constitution?

I guess the founding fathers believed in slavery and male dominance over women
Funny how you compare abortion to slavery here. As I remember, back in the days of slavery blacks weren't viewed as on the same level as us "regular" human beings either. They were looked upon as property that was owned by people, which those people could do whatever they pleased with. I'm sure it was much easier to justify that kind of unfair treatment when blacks weren't viewed as equal human beings on the same level as us white people.

Yes, very interesting comparison.
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Funny how you compare abortion to slavery here. As I remember, back in the days of slavery blacks weren't viewed as on the same level as us "regular" human beings either. They were looked upon as property that was owned by people, which those people could do whatever they pleased with. I'm sure it was much easier to justify that kind of unfair treatment when blacks weren't viewed as equal human beings on the same level as us white people.

Yes, very interesting comparison.
Very interesting, indeed.
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ah, yes, the "coded language" like Bush's reference to the Dread Scott case ... too bad you've both missed Deep's point.
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Perhaps you missed XHendrix24's point?

Much easier to dispose of something when they are not considered people.
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Perhaps you missed XHendrix24's point?

Much easier to dispose of something when they are not considered people.

just as it's easy to treat women like cattle with no authority over their own bodies when you don't think they are people.
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just as it's easy to treat women like cattle with no authority over their own bodies when you don't think they are people.


I try to stay somewhat objective on most matters here and respect each side's arguments, but that's some of the most convoluted reasoning I've ever seen. Last time I checked we haven't gone around killing hoards of women lately.
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I try to stay somewhat objective on most matters here and respect each side's arguments, but that's some of the most convoluted reasoning I've ever seen. Last time I checked we haven't gone around killing hoards of women lately.


your use of the word "killing" is highly contentious. that might be your personal viewpoint, but while everyone would agree that shooting a woman in the head is killing, it is not the same with aborting a 6 week old fetus.

to be blunt: if my little sister were to get pregnant when she was, say, 15 years old, you can be damn well sure that i care much more about the quality of my sister's life and her being able to become into a responsible, healthy adult so that she can one day be a responsible, healthy mother than i am with a bunch of cells amassing in her uterus.

to extrapolate further: the best way to truly combat global poverty -- what Bono calls "stupid" poverty -- is to empower women to have control over when they do and do not get pregnant.
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