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Old 09-17-2006, 05:26 PM   #16
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And we wonder why we should be educated about other religions?!
Some more Koranic education for you, religion of peace....

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369.
This describes the assassination of Ka’b bin al-Ashraf.
Ishaq:368 “Ka’b’s body was left prostrate [humbled in submission]. After his fall, all of the Nadir Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad’s order we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Travelling by night, bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet.”
Tabari VII:97/Ishaq:368 “We carried Ka’b’s head and brought it to Muhammad during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah’s enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf’s head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah’s Cause. Our attack upon Allah’s enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.’”
Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’”
Ishaq:369 “Thereupon Mas’ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim’s brother complained, saying, ‘Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.’ Mas’ud answered, ‘By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.’ Wherein the brother said, ‘Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!’ And he accepted Islam.”
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And we wonder why we should be educated about other religions?!

BVS, I hope you don't think I was jumping to conclusions. I found it very likely that the shooters were Muslims, given the religion of Somalia, and the Pope's comments. Also, Islamic militants are on the brink of taking over Somalia, so who knows? The gunmen could've been Islamic militia. And given the past violent reactions some Muslims have done over criticism of their religion, I believe it is safe to say the men who killed the nun were Muslims. If they were any else, I'd like to know why they killed her.
I do believe I am very educated on what is going on the world, and I don't think I am making assumptions.
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BVS, I hope you don't think I was jumping to conclusions.
Not at all.
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Some more Koranic education for you, religion of peace....

Anyone can cut and paste.

I could easily cut and paste out of context scripture from the Bible as well to make it look like a violent religion.
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Not at all.
OK, I'm glad
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Anyone can cut and paste.

I could easily cut and paste out of context scripture from the Bible as well to make it look like a violent religion.
We already went through that exercise and you had a tough time finding New Testament passages that taught violence as a means of spreading Christianity.

You did pull one or two passages WAY out of context, but that was all you could muster. However, the Koran is literally filled with OVERT teachings of converting through violence.

Why do people insist on lying to themselves? Is it just wishful thinking? It simply amazes me how Islam continues to get the benefit of the doubt while innocent people are being slaughtered across the globe.

I mean c'mon - she was a nun! Giving aid to the sick!
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Anyone can cut and paste.

I could easily cut and paste out of context scripture from the Bible as well to make it look like a violent religion.


Somehow I missed the chapter and verse in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John where the apostles brought the head to the feet of Jesus and he praised them.
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We already went through that exercise and you had a tough time finding New Testament passages that taught violence as a means of spreading Christianity.

You did pull one or two passages WAY out of context, but that was all you could muster. However, the Koran is literally filled with OVERT teachings of converting through violence.
NT or not, really doesn't make a difference. I made my point and could continue to find more. The point is context is key, and those that cut and paste from something they found in an email or on the internet don't have a true sense of the religion as a whole.

Show me a religion that doesn't have violence associated with it somewhere in it's history.

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It simply amazes me how Islam continues to get the benefit of the doubt while innocent people are being slaughtered across the globe.

It simply amazes me how some who call themselves moral people can lump all from the actions of a minority.
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Somehow I missed the chapter and verse in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John where the apostles brought the head to the feet of Jesus and he praised them.
You may want to reread the Bible if you think it's free of violence.
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You may want to reread the Bible if you think it's free of violence.

There are acts of violence in the Bible but no murder that directly or indirectly involves Jesus and nowhere does he condone or compliment such acts.
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There are acts of violence in the Bible but no murder that directly or indirectly involves Jesus and nowhere does he condone or compliment such acts.
But in the OT there are...
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But in the OT there are...
If a principle is not also taught in the New Testament - then it is not Christian.

The OT is the Old Covenant - we are no longer bound to it. Christians are in a New Covenent that is realized through faith in Jesus Christ. This faith cannot be forced. It must be of free will.

Just go read through those threads from 2 or 3 months ago about eternal moral laws and such. I think we covered that in great detail.
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Anyone can cut and paste.

I could easily cut and paste out of context scripture from the Bible as well to make it look like a violent religion.
Ok, so explain the context, or show me where Jesus was advocating/praising murder
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If a principle is not also taught in the New Testament - then it is not Christian.

The OT is the Old Covenant - we are no longer bound to it. Christians are in a New Covenent that is realized through faith in Jesus Christ. This faith cannot be forced. It must be of free will.

Just go read through those threads from 2 or 3 months ago about eternal moral laws and such. I think we covered that in great detail.
Yes I know all of this. But you are missing my point. For those who don't know these principals a cut and paste job can paint the Bible in the same light as those who cut and paste the Koran...
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Ok, so explain the context, or show me where Jesus was advocating/praising murder
You missed my point as well.
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