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Old 06-27-2002, 07:47 PM   #121
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Umm.
Well you better talk to Bono about that because he said it..on CSPAN... I HEARD it come from his OWN mouth.

He then went on and sais he THOUGHT THE ADMINISTRATION'S MOTIVES WERE SINCERE. Maybe you can get him to retract BOTH those statements, Brother Someone?
It seems you may have a problem w/Bono's openmindeness?
Perhaps?
My point is this..Bono is NOT the same person he was 15 yrs ago..
Bono has evolved as a person

The Republican Party has evolved as a Party.
Youre prloly NOT the same person that you were 15 yrs ago.,correct?
.I know Im not.

Furthurmore..DATA has Republicans involved, and Drop The Debt is a Bi-Partisan endeavor.

Lastly, w/Bono supporting the War On Terror..he isnt totally aligning himself w/Amnesty International( remember-theyre opposed) now-like he was in the 1980's now is he Brother Someone?
You see Bono has also evolved.

Get over Bono's compassion and openmindedness and you will have no one to blame.
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There are certain political causes and issues that from time to time transcend political philophies and leanings. DATA & Drop The Debt are two examples of this. In other words, these causes are so common sense to the average person that to oppose them would be bordering on political insanity. Keep in mind the fact that these causes are progressive in nature-causes created by and championed by the left for the future well being of all mankind. These causes represent not Bono's "openmindedness" but rather his ability to "open" the minds of those hard line, unsympathetic right wingers out there. Those are the ones who have had their minds opened in all of this!

You contend that Bono supports the war on terrorism...that is a very generalized statement and depends on what your definition of "supporting the war on terrorism" really is. I gather from Bono's statements that he supports eradicating religious zealots and fanatics-but he has always maintained ( and still does) his disdain for killing and war (very much in line with Amnesty). Bono would argue to you (and me) that bringing people out of poverty and educating them will do far more to stop future terrorist attacks here and abroad then smart bombs and daisycutters. He is consistent on this subject time and again.

Bono may have made those statements on C-Span (I have it on videotape so I'll let you know in a private message) but again-even if those comments were made as you suggest you must not forget the context within which they were made. Bono is trying to get something he wants-and is playing the "I'm politically neutral" card to this administration to achieve the results he seeks. His track record is otherwise. You have not presented any hard evidence that suggests Bono is "moderating" his views. His actions are speaking louder than the words you claim he has uttered.

Face it...conservative fans of U2 are always trying to somehow "justify" and "reconcile" there love of this band against their own personal, conservative convictions. I view ithis struggle like the old cartoons where there is an angel speaking to you in one ear and the devil in the other...the angel is telling you to turn away from the music and the devil is telling you to pay no attention to the angel! If it makes you feel better and helps you to enjoy U2 more for erroneously implying that Bono has "righted" himself than great! Whatever works for ya...but I would suggest that upon furthur reveiw of the facts you will concede that to say Bono is "A Political" is a stretch, a BIG stretch!

Bottom line: Contend that Bono has moderated his views all you want...the facts jsimply contradict your arguments.

Prediction: Americans finally awaken from their post 9/11 shock and realize the sham of an agenda Bush has been ramming down their throats under the auspices and illusion of a "war". His public opinion drops like a daisycutter on a mudhut and he suffers the same fate as his papa did before him. Fortunately, John Kerry becomes our next President and rights the ship.

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Bono would argue to you (and me) that bringing people out of poverty and educating them will do far more to stop future terrorist attacks here and abroad then smart bombs and daisycutters. He is consistent on this subject time and again.


Perhaps, but:

"The only fitting memorial for those lives that were lost is the idea that the world is forever changed by this moment in time, that it is a better more inclusive place, and that we cut off the oxygen supply to these crazy fanatics "

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Come on, you don't see how Bush is milking this to the best of
his advantage?
Let's say - for a moment - that Bush is acting in his own self-interest, rather than the interest of the nation.

(What evidence do you have of that? High poll numbers? Is it not possible that the man is following his principles and the poll numbers are simply following that? Or is EVERY action that the nation approves of somehow suspect?)

Even if he is, that's a little bit different than what Hitler did: creating crises himself (including the burning of the Riechstag) to assume dictatorial powers.

So, unless you want to assert that A) Bush planned or knowingly allowed 19 terrorists to kill over 3,000 Americans or B) Bush is actually assuming dictatorial powers, STAND DOWN.
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Old 06-27-2002, 08:21 PM   #124
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", and that we cut off the oxygen supply to these crazy fanatics "

-Bono, Austin Texas November 5 2001
There you have it Brother Someone
ZEdge pulls out a nice quote.

That was an excellent piece you wrote, did Melon help you w/it?

Brother Someone- you are IN DENIAL. If you maintain that the Republican Party is exactly the same Party is was long ago and Bono has the same feelings for THIS Administration as Regan and Bush Sr. than you are guilty of libel.

Hope you can sleep well.
Im telling Bono on you.

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you are right...that was a cute little quote z edge pulled out of his butt...I'm just not sure that it enhances your cause any, however. It really depends on how one interprets /defines Bono's meaning of "cutting off the oxygen supply". You see...when he says 'oxygen supply' he refers to the cause, or root of the problem. In other words he is simply acknowledging that the "fuel" of this religious fanaticism must be corrected. Clearly, he means this within within the context of his fight against third world debt and poverty...which scholarly studies validate as a major reason for fanatacism.

Therefore, z edge has unwittingly helped advance my argument by supplying this quote...because when Bono says "...and that we cut off the oxygen to these crazy fanatics" I read that to mean "...we get to the root of the problem" -which we know is largely due to poverty/debt in third world countries. That quote is by no means an endorsement of Bush's bombing policy and to interpret it as such is preposterous. It is only a quote explaining that unless we (the industrialized world) do something about the daily atrocities afflicting third world countries than the "oxygen" will keep getting supplied to the fanatics...which I think we all can agree is not what we want!
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Ok then when Bono on Thanksgiving said he saluted the American Military on Jay Leno and sang for them EXCLUSIVELY as a THANK YOU for their hard work?
When he CRADLED AND HUGGED the AMERICAN FLAG at EVERY 3rd LEG SHOW? He was NOT supporting the US Military?
Umm.
Have you considered becoming a Spin Doctor Brother Someone.?
Your posts are slipping in credibility as this thread continues.
I do agree w/Bono about getting education to the countrys who sponsor terrorism to uproot the problem, I , as well as some other broad-minded Republicans..

Thank you for your feeble efforts my brother-
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Please don't fabricate my words or take them out of context. I never said Bono wasn't supporting our U.S. military operations-simply that he'd prefer to see (ultimately) a different approach.

Anyways...it is you by friend whose posts are quickly slipping in quality on this topic...maybe it is time to lay this one to rest big guy!

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you are right...that was a cute little quote z edge pulled out of his butt...
excuse me genius:
the only thing that I pull out of my butt (thank you for noticing my butt btw) is waste and waste paper. It is not kind to refer to the lead singer of U2 (Bono---> ) as such, since he said that quote to me and 20,000 on more than one occasion.

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I'm just not sure that it enhances your cause any, however. It really depends on how one interprets /defines Bono's meaning of "cutting off the oxygen supply". You see...when he says 'oxygen supply' he refers to the cause, or root of the problem. In other words he is simply acknowledging that the "fuel" of this religious fanaticism must be corrected. Clearly, he means this within within the context of his fight against third world debt and poverty...which scholarly studies validate as a major reason for fanatacism.
Speaking of studies, in school they taught us that oxygen was something we breathe. Therefore, "oxygen supply", as Bono puts it , would be what the " crazy fanatics " breathe. Without said oxygen supply these said fanatics (crazy) could not live. The hypothesis suggest that Bono meant we "cut off" said supply. I think for extra credit on the exam the answer is we kill them

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Therefore, z edge has unwittingly helped advance my argument by supplying this quote...because when Bono says "...and that we cut off the oxygen to these crazy fanatics" I read that to mean "...we get to the root of the problem"
perhaps "...we get to the root of the problem"
by means of
B-52 Stratofortress
B-1 Bomber
B-2 Stealth Bomber
F-117 Stealth Fighter
F-15
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-which we know is largely due to poverty/debt in third world countries.
How impoverished is Osama Bin Laden?
How well funded is Al Queda
If they are so impoverished, how are they so spread out around the globe? In cells in every nook and cranny?
If 3rd world debt is their cause, why do they run and hide while sending their lieutenants" into suicide missions?

This is a well planned-well funded mission. Poverty is not even seen by the perpetrators of this horrendous act

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That quote is by no means an endorsement of Bush's bombing policy and to interpret it as such is preposterous.
Then perhaps he meant we should hook them (the terrorists) up to nitrous oxide (medicinal type ) and all have a merry laugh-fest
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z edge: Your particiaption in this thread is no longer needed...you have nothing of intellect to offer on this subject...maybe you should simply stick to participating in those "poll" forums...they don't require much thought. Goodbye.
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Nice post. Keep up the good work.

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z edge: Your particiaption in this thread is no longer needed...you have nothing of intellect to offer on this subject...maybe you should simply stick to participating in those "poll" forums...they don't require much thought. Goodbye.
Is this like the NFL or MLB or NBA when the ref/ump says to the player "You're outta here"!!?

Sorry, I have as much right to this as you Someone because I am someone too (not just their muscle o' love)

I think I broke it down nicely for you. If Bono has a different opinion than you, then sorry. IMHO, you twisted the obvious meaning of his words around to fit into your peaceful demeanor. But unfortunately, it dosen't work that way in real life my friend.

You can't fight this type of blaze with flowers and fantasies, fair it is not. You need to realize the severity of the situation. The terrorists are not going to suddenly stop their assault on us/them just because we give $500 billion to Africa.

Nice dream though
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What do Diamond, Achtung Bubba, z edge, and Lemonite use for birth control?
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How impoverished is Osama Bin Laden?
How well funded is Al Queda
If they are so impoverished, how are they so spread out around the globe? In cells in every nook and cranny?
If 3rd world debt is their cause, why do they run and hide while sending their lieutenants" into suicide missions?
Most Americans seem to have this misconception that its only Al-Qaeda and bin Laden who hate America, and the rest of the world is with us in this war on terrorism. What people don't see is that while Al-Qaeda itself is well-funded, the organization has persisted because of the feelings of those who are not even part of the group. Anti-American sympathies are not limited to the leaders of these terrorist groups. Those feelings can be found in normal, working people in most Muslim countries. They don't care much for America, and they don't particularly oppose any efforts which are made against us. They are the groups from whom suicide bombers are born. They are the poor, sick, and desperate.

Destroy bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, go right on ahead. The people will still be there. The anti-American sentiment will still be there. And the terrorist groups will spring up one by one to take the place of the one that was destroyed.

If you put up a dartboard, eventually anyone with a bunch of darts is going to score a bullseye. The solution isn't to take out the people doing the throwing, but to not be a dartboard. Otherwise, you fight a futile war that never ends. Unfortunately, that's what we find ourselves stuck in right now.
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