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Old 10-26-2005, 09:18 PM   #1
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Is War Ever Justified?

"And its one two three...what are fighting for?

Don't ask me I don't give a ...."


What do you think?


What would your solution be to dealing with Hitler and the Nazi attack on humanity?
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Old 10-26-2005, 09:30 PM   #2
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WWII, in my view, was a just war. The wars in Kosovo and Bosnia were just wars, because Milosevic had to be stopped. I'm not a pacifist. I used to be, then the Bosnia thing happened, and I've changed my overall political perspective several times since I became a registered voter.
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"WWII, in my view, was a just war."


I agree.


*very glad the Allies won*
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Old 10-26-2005, 09:56 PM   #4
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Is war every justified? We call them Defence Departments for a reason. It kind of says it all. If it's genuinely defensive, be it defending yourself or sticking up for someone who can't defend themselves, it's just. Starting the offensive war is never just, and it's precisely that which makes the defensive war just. So... we come to the grey area in the middle where no doubt this thread is headed anyway... To look at recent examples, IN MY OPINION - Gulf War 1? Just. Kosovo? Just. Afghanistan? Just. Iraq II? Grey. And over all of this over the past few years, from the millions of analysis' over Iraqs real threat to anyone, from the arguments about what the UN said and meant and if even then it was the right course of action, from that versus the very real belief I personally have that Iraq deserved and needed better than Hussein and the great thing that it is that they could possibly have that, and now versus the very real threat that it has created a situation of chaos that will reign for years to come and has far greater potential to get far worse before it gets any better - I am still nowhere near convinced this was in any way 'just'. But that's just me.
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Yeah, war can absolutely be justified. Which fall under that would be open to a lot of interpretation obviously...
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no war between nations.
no peace between classes.

no war but class war.

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This subject makes me recall a quote I once read. I'll be damned if I can remember the name, but it went something like this...

"War isn't the best solution to solve things, but it's often the only way to prevent them being solved for you."
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No, in my humble opinion war is never justified.

People [with an emphasis on people, not foreign armies] overthrowing a tyrant are justified.

War may be inevitable under certain circumstances, like Allies vs. Germans in WW II, but still, it ain´t justified.
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I honestly think most wars could be prevented, if the right thing was done at the right time. Hitler was given far too much time and power. Same as many others.

Killing is never justified. But sometimes in this fucked up world the lesser of two evils is justified.
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No, in my humble opinion war is never justified.

People [with an emphasis on people, not foreign armies] overthrowing a tyrant are justified.

War may be inevitable under certain circumstances, like Allies vs. Germans in WW II, but still, it ain´t justified.
I guess you and Bono will just have to agree to disagree on that one.
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Well, he's technically correct. War in WWII from the perspective of the Allies was justified (of course), but of course the Allies didn't start it, Hitler did, and that was not justified. So, maybe can we agree that the action of war is never just, but the reaction to it is? And STING, Bono was talking about Afghanistan (and by extension we know he would have meant that with at least Kosovo as well), so the US/Allies actions there were justified, but AQ's 'act of war' against the US? Of course not. Same thing. Note that Bono disagrees with the current action in Iraq - so he, like most, draws a line somewhere between justified and not.
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Wars are justified if you want them to be.


What do I think? War is petty. It's the lowest form of conflict.


You have to understad (I am guessing here) that to Hitler, he seemed perfectly justified in his actions.

His charisma upswept a nation in despair, gave them hope.


It's very much a mental thing, "war". A feeling much stronger than a thought....... the instant gratification, or intant emotion, rather, of killing, of killing an enemy, s omething bad, promoting survival, killing "for honor". For glory. For a heavenly kingdom, for virgins, for whatever.

I don't know.....

There are traditional reasons to go to war, and I can semi-respect them. As in, if you wanted to kill my family because you don't like the area/country I live in.

War is a mental thing, and it always will be. WIll war ever go away? I don't know. I don't have that much faith in mankind. However, I think it's damn well worth a shot, something to strive for.


Even America's independence war......
Unfortunately, that was justifiable, to an extent.

Why it wasn't justified was because the English side was refusing rights, etc etc etc.



When you talk about justification for a war, make sure you think about both sides. It's not weather it was acceptable for one side to go to war, as in defense. It's about the other side going to war.

Why did Enland fight back in America's war for independence? I don't really know, I'm no history major. But I suspect it's because they wanted to loose a profit on goods, etc, things like that.

That's not justifiable, in my mind.

They shouldn't have gone to war over that.



Does that make any sense?
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We're living in 2005.

'Nuff said.
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I guess you and Bono will just have to agree to disagree on that one.
Yeah, and so what? I´m not on his payroll or anything
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Well, he's technically correct. War in WWII from the perspective of the Allies was justified (of course), but of course the Allies didn't start it, Hitler did, and that was not justified. So, maybe can we agree that the action of war is never just, but the reaction to it is? And STING, Bono was talking about Afghanistan (and by extension we know he would have meant that with at least Kosovo as well), so the US/Allies actions there were justified, but AQ's 'act of war' against the US? Of course not. Same thing. Note that Bono disagrees with the current action in Iraq - so he, like most, draws a line somewhere between justified and not.
HIPHOP clearly stated he believes "war is never justified". Bono does not share that belief.
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