Is Venezuela the China of South America

[Justin24]

Hugo Chavez has alot of simularities with Mao Ze Dong. Chavez like Mao is feeding off the poor to make him self look like a god or hero. If you look at the photos from this AP news article he is already having his face painted everywhere with sort of a Nazi Salute.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060322/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_s_chavez_cult_lh1

 

[verte76]

No, Venezuela isn't China. They've got a very popular, charismatic leader who is scorned by the powerful and adored by the marginalized.

 

[melon]

Venezuela is the United States of South America: it thinks of itself as the model for all countries to model itself after and doesn't give a shit about anyone else but itself.

The way Chavez trumpets Ché Guevara is no different than how Republicans use the "Founding Fathers" to further its reactionary agenda--even if the "Founding Fathers" were anything but.

Melon

 

[Justin24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Chávez

 

[wizard2c]

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Hey, thanks.......I always follow a Wiki link..........

 

[BVS]

^ Exactly, especially something of this nature.

 

[wizard2c]

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melon......is that really Orson Welles in your avatar?????



.....I just noticed this new Smiley.......

 

[nbcrusader]

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Hey, thanks.......I always follow a Wiki link..........

I don't follow. Are Wiki links suspect in some fashion? I thought many considered Wiki to be acceptably neutral.

 

[VertigoGal]

Venezuela is the United States of South America: it thinks of itself as the model for all countries to model itself after and doesn't give a shit about anyone else but itself.

The way Chavez trumpets Ché Guevara is no different than how Republicans use the "Founding Fathers" to further its reactionary agenda--even if the "Founding Fathers" were anything but.

Melon

didn't think of it that way, but it's an interesting comparison.

 

[BVS]

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I don't follow. Are Wiki links suspect in some fashion? I thought many considered Wiki to be acceptably neutral.

They're written by anyone who wants to enter the "data". So many are filled with BS it's ridiculous. Now consider a controversial figure such as this and imagine the bias thrown in.

 

[Justin24]

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They're written by anyone who wants to enter the "data". So many are filled with BS it's ridiculous. Now consider a controversial figure such as this and imagine the bias thrown in.

Have you read the wiki info on Chavez yet??

 

[BVS]

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Have you read the wiki info on Chavez yet??

No, why would I?

I've read enough to know your comparisons are a little far fetched.

 

[melon]

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They're written by anyone who wants to enter the "data". So many are filled with BS it's ridiculous. Now consider a controversial figure such as this and imagine the bias thrown in.

I think you're being a bit too contrarian here. The wikipedia folks are anal retentive when it comes to neutral POV.

Chances are, the article contains a section on his controversy, but also will describe his appeal.

Melon

 

[BVS]

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I think you're being a bit too contrarian here. The wikipedia folks are anal retentive when it comes to neutral POV.

Well this may be true, but they lack any true fact checking. I've read many that have completely false information. And I'm saying that the bias can be inadvertently found in the fallacies...

 

[melon]

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Well this may be true, but they lack any true fact checking. I've read many that have completely false information. And I'm saying that the bias can be inadvertently found in the fallacies...

You probably read that article regarding the false biography of John Siegenthaler, Sr. being listed as part of the conspiracy to kill JFK. That's an extreme example for that site, and is not reflective of the average article there. In fact, a study said that Wikipedia contains the same level of error as a standard encyclopedia, which is an astounding testament to their drive for accuracy. It's not perfect, but hey...who doesn't have bias? That's why I look at everything critically.

I would not let your distate for a certain poster here color an otherwise interesting site.

Melon

 

[BVS]

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You probably read that article regarding the false biography of John Siegenthaler, Sr. being listed as part of the conspiracy to kill JFK. That's an extreme example for that site, and is not reflective of the average article there. In fact, a study said that Wikipedia contains the same level of error as a standard encyclopedia, which is an astounding testament to their drive for accuracy. It's not perfect, but hey...who doesn't have bias? That's why I look at everything critically.

I would not let your distate for a certain poster here color an otherwise interesting site.

Melon

Don't get me wrong, I still use it pretty often. Usually as a starting point.

But I've come across some major errors in band bios and what not. In fact someone on here pointed out some errors in U2's entry, they were later corrected.

 

[verte76]

I use links to Wikipedia on my site, but I'm aware of the limitations of this resource. They give enough information to be useful, but do have biases. But then, everything in history is bias; there are no real facts.

 

[Judah]

Venezuela is the United States of South America: it thinks of itself as the model for all countries to model itself after and doesn't give a shit about anyone else but itself.

The way Chavez trumpets Ché Guevara is no different than how Republicans use the "Founding Fathers" to further its reactionary agenda--even if the "Founding Fathers" were anything but.

Melon

But Chavez/Venezuela are different, and progressive, from Bush/U.S. in other ways...such as on gay rights (though a lot of work remains to be done and, predictably, the Catholic Church has been an obstacle for the politicians):

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1622

On December 15, 2002, three years after the new constitution of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela was adopted, President Hugo Chavez said on his weekly television program Alo Presidente that a big mistake had been made in 1999 during the National Constituent Assembly, when the rights of gays and lesbians were left out of the new constitution.

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Despite the problems, Heisler Vaamonde of the Revolutionary Gay Movement argued that there have been some concrete gains for gay and lesbian rights under the Chavez government. "We've celebrated the international day of gay rights every year since the beginning of the Chavez government". Gay pride marches were previously impeded by the right. "This year, the Alcalde mayor participated, the Ministry of Culture and the National Council of Culture. For the first time in Venezuelan history the government has been directly represented at Gay Pride Day."

 

[wizard2c]

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And how many ways can one interpret a word.......{check the dictionary and how it's said}.........I follow many links and threads.........trust no one and no thing....ultimately, does it matter at all?

 

[melon]

But Chavez/Venezuela are different, and progressive, from Bush/U.S. in other ways...such as on gay rights (though a lot of work remains to be done and, predictably, the Catholic Church has been an obstacle for the politicians.

Very interesting. Anyone who pisses off the Catholic Church catches my attention.

Melon

 

[Justin24]

Chavez is so Paranoid that he tells his people that any day now the US might invade Venzuela. He must have learned how to scare people from his Buddy GWB.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060418/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_arming_the_people

 

[verte76]

Chavez isn't one of my favorite leaders, to put it mildly. But he's only one of many jerks who are currently running countries. Look at the guy who's running Zimbabwe. He's totally odious.