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Old 03-16-2002, 11:27 PM   #16
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Well, if there isn't enough matter in the universe for it to collapse, eventually every star will burn out, all life will end, and the universe will not be a friendly place to live.
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Old 03-18-2002, 03:41 AM   #17
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you know what I've wondered ever since I was like 6 years old U2girl? if the Universe really is expanding outwards, what is it expanding into? and don't tell me nothing because that just makes my head hurt to think about!
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Old 03-18-2002, 01:58 PM   #18
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The thought that always puzzled me was - if the universe started with the Big bang, what was there before - assuming nothing lasts forever?
Also, will there be a Big shrink once this universe ends?



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Old 03-19-2002, 06:07 AM   #20
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My personal opinion on that matter is that energy only changes its forms, but exists forever. So, "before" of the big bang - if there is any "before", because as we know time is relative, energy simply may have had another form.
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Old 03-19-2002, 11:44 AM   #21
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The Universe is ezpanding, and increasing in it's rate of expansion. Eventually after all the stars have burned their Hydrogen into helium, that will be it. The Universe will still exist but it will be a "dead universe", no new stars or galaxies. Pretty grim but that's the way it is.
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Old 03-21-2002, 06:08 PM   #22
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my question is, can true nothingness exist?

If the universe is expanding into nothingness, well that means the "nothingness" is given definition by the "somethingness" and is no longer nothing.

If the universe came from "nothing" there had to be potential there, so in strict terms there was something there.

Is there a way to philosophicly prove nothingness? Scientificly prove?

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Old 03-22-2002, 08:06 PM   #23
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What do you guys think of multiple universes? Perhaps we are just one universe of many, but that, due to our own scientific limitations and the vastness of our own universe, we just haven't seen it?

Looking at science, in general, rarely are single things created. Even stars are usually made in pairs (Jupiter is our sun's dead twin).

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Old 03-23-2002, 02:53 AM   #24
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Originally posted by hermes:
If the universe is expanding into nothingness,

Who said that?

If the universe came from "nothing" there had to be potential there, so in strict terms there was something there.
The universe came from something that was always there and always is, yesterday, today and tomorrow; just like Love simply is.

Is there a way to philosophicly prove nothingness? Scientificly prove?
Hm... If a shadow is non-light, is it nothing?

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Unless I misunderstood who Sting2 was responding to, I believe he said it was expanding into nothing.

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Hm... If a shadow is non-light, is it nothing?
My answer philosophy wise is no. It's been defined by it's parameters and therefore no longer nothing.

Science wise, there are things that don't give off light that are something.

I think so anyways, I had a rough night last night and am not thinking to clearly. What do you think?
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Old 03-23-2002, 01:35 PM   #26
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Melon,

I tend to think there are multiple universes, but for reasons that probably differ from most. I'm too tired to get into it now, but I do belive they exist.


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I was wondering, for those who do believe they exist, What do you think thier nature is?

Various timelines, basicly alternatives to our universe?

A universe seperate, but like ours in most general ways?

A universe that acts more like a dimension, where the laws of physics and nature could be completely different from what we know?

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Old 03-24-2002, 08:04 AM   #27
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I believe in multiple universes too. I think they are all connected in some way. In different universe, the laws of Physics are the same as this universe that we're living, but the timelines are completely differ from ours.


And about the emptiness of the space beyond the universes, I'm always thinking and almost fighting constantly with myself for this! At this moment, I believe that there're really nothing out there. It's hard to imagine, but those x-dimensional spaces are hard to imagine either.
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Originally posted by hermes:
This is pretty much how I think the universe is structured, though I don't agree with some of the conclusions at the end.
http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html

this one is acutally formatted better: http://www.earthportals.com/hologram.html

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After reading that second link - my question is - so did the trees really vanish or did the lady just convince the onlookers that they were no longer there, so they deleted them from their holograms?

This explains the power of suggestion and also gives weight to the theory of osmosis.




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<<so did the trees really vanish or did the lady just convince the onlookers that they were no longer there, so they deleted them from their holograms?>>

I think for all intents and purposes, both. Though I don't think the trees were deleted, the people just stopped percieving those wave patterns.



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This is pretty much how I think the universe is structured, though I don't agree with some of the conclusions at the end.
http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html

this one is acutally formatted better: http://www.earthportals.com/hologram.html



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