80sU2isBest
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financeguy said:
Did you read the article?
Yes, I read it. But I don't know what your point is.
financeguy said:
Did you read the article?
BonoVoxSupastar said:Seemed pretty straight forward to me...
I, on the other hand, have to prepare for a death in the family. You see, my country, already weakened by the deceit of its leaders, the disillusionment of its people, the despair of its citizens, was dealt a fatal blow today; she was stabbed in the back by three assailants. Chances are she won’t recover.
Suffice to say your attendance at her funeral services will not be welcome, no less required. It would be, you must agree, unseemly for those with blood on their hands to attend.
May God have mercy on the faithful departed, and on those who contributed to her untimely demise.
May God have mercy on those who condone torture, be it overt or in the guise of ‘compromise’.
May God have more mercy than I would – because I would have none.
Yours Without Even the Pretence of Respect,
Nancy Greggs
Citizen of a once Great Nation, the United States of America
80sU2isBest said:
Then what is the point?
Bono's shades said:
That Christians shouldn't condone torture?
Maybe you aren't seeing the point because you don't want to see it.
80sU2isBest said:
- in normal circumstances.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Jesus never laid exceptions to the rule from what I remember...
So everything he said only applies to the individual, governments are exempt?80sU2isBest said:
Jesus never made a "rule" at all about what governments can do to protect their people.
BonoVoxSupastar said:So everything he said only applies to the individual, governments are exempt?
najeena said:All arguments for and against the use of torture aside, it's a sad reflection on ourselves that we're even discussing it. Our technology is amazing, yet we resort to stomach-turning brutality when we don't get what we think we need. Stop the earth, I want to get off.
80sU2isBest said:
I can't think of a time in which Jesus actually addressed the givernment's responsibilities. Unlike myself and most people at Free Your Mind, Christ's actions and teachings weren't politically minded or motiviated.
80sU2isBest said:
I don't want to hear that my scenario would never happen (although we know from an ABC investigative reporter that waterboarding has worked when nothing else did).
BonoVoxSupastar said:
You create an impossible scenario and then tell people not to tell you it would never happen? Come on!
How would one know with absolution this person knows of a plan and not have a clue as to what it is?
BonoVoxSupastar said:
This doesn't make sense.
So if you are working for the government your morals go out the window? What's to keep us from making other exemptions?
80sU2isBest said:
Would you be willing to psychologically and physically injure a person if that's what it took to stop him from murdering an innocent person?
80sU2isBest said:
It does make sense. When Christ was talking to people about one on one relationships, those things don't necessarily apply to the way the government should respond.
For instance, Christ said to treat others as you would have them treat you.
Does that apply to the government and its protection of the people? When 9/11 happened, would Christ have wanted the US not to fight back and protect itself against the Taliban, simply because we wouldn't them to attack ourselves?
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Well the question is still faulty for a couple of reasons. One, simply locking him up would prevent him from murdering an innocent person there would be no need for torture.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
But let's say you meant it would stop a plan to be carried out by another. Well the answer would be yes obviously, but you're functioning under the false premise of a guarantee.