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Old 01-05-2007, 03:06 PM   #76
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4: This has been fun, but it is quiting time and I am going home....which has been invaded by squirrels!!! ARGHHHH
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Old 01-05-2007, 03:12 PM   #77
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I am not ignoring you and I believe I have answered your questions.

You still haven't qualified how it's an act of war.

You still haven't explained this "proof" of the video.

You still haven't acknowled that ID theft is only 5% illegal immigrants.

You still haven't explained why SS should be denied to them if they were contributing to society.
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Old 01-05-2007, 03:19 PM   #78
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1. It would be an act of war I said earlier, if it was mexican troops smuggling in drugs and mexican government officials knew about it.

2. Those videos on youtube, I am sure come from minute men websites.

3. I will get back to you on.

4. They only contribute by paying sales tax when they purchase something.
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Old 01-05-2007, 03:26 PM   #79
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1. It would be an act of war I said earlier, if it was mexican troops smuggling in drugs and mexican government officials knew about it.
That's a lot of "ifs" be careful of conspiracy theories.

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2. Those videos on youtube, I am sure come from minute men websites.
Yes, I know the videos, but what are they PROVING?

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4. They only contribute by paying sales tax when they purchase something.
The cook in the restaurant contributes to your cheaper burger, the laborer contributes to cheaper produce therefore cheaper restaurants, the bricklayer contributes to cheaper building costs. All of this contributes to your economy.
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So your in support of this new cheap slave labor.

The Videos prove how we must stand up and tell mexico to get it's act together or we could invade since there invading our country.
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So your in support of this new cheap slave labor.
Did I say that? You're losing your argument when you have to resort to putting words in my mouth.

I understand why they come here, and for you to ignore the contribution they give to our society and acting like they are just sponging off our society is ignorance.

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The Videos prove how we must stand up and tell mexico to get it's act together or we could invade since there invading our country.
No it doesn't. If you can't tell me HOW it does this, then don't bother, you'll just be wasting all of our time.
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Old 01-05-2007, 03:55 PM   #82
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Did I say that? You're losing your argument when you have to resort to putting words in my mouth.

I understand why they come here, and for you to ignore the contribution they give to our society and acting like they are just sponging off our society is ignorance.



No it doesn't. If you can't tell me HOW it does this, then don't bother, you'll just be wasting all of our time.
You understand the reason they come here is because The mexican government is such a piece of shit that it send the poor here to our country. A month or so ago with the protests in mexico, it showed the people can have enough of the government Bullshit. So why not make a fucking change. Am I going to hear, that they can't that there downtrodden?
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You understand the reason they come here is because The mexican government is such a piece of shit that it send the poor here to our country. A month or so ago with the protests in mexico, it showed the people can have enough of the government Bullshit. So why not make a fucking change. Am I going to hear, that they can't that there downtrodden?
Justin, this is my last post unless you can actually address the issue at hand and answer the questions asked of you. I have no problem discussing this with you, but it's useless if you continue ignoring the issues.

Now back to topic. No one here is denying that the Mexican government has problems. But what you are doing, is taking your hatred of the government out on the people.

Put yourself in their shoes. If you were raising kids and couldn't feed them, couldn't afford to become a citizen right away, wouldn't you do your best to feed them? And if your best oppurtunity was in the US, even if it meant doing the shit work no one else wanted to do, wouldn't you do that?

^That's what I understand, I can be empathetic to that. I'm sorry you can't.

Now, once again...HOW do those videos prove anything?
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Justin I wanted to answer back at most of your posts but I was only in page 3 and it's just to much nonsense and ignorance in your behalf about this subject that I'll just laugh it off, besides it's usually the same crap when it comes to this particular subjet

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Those video prove that there helping the illegal immigrants break the law of our land and when we enforce ours. Vincente Fucking Fox has the oddasity to say we are wrong??

If it was reversed what do you think the mexican government would do?
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Those video prove that there helping the illegal immigrants break the law of our land and when we enforce ours. Vincente Fucking Fox has the oddasity to say we are wrong??


Who's "they"? Is it a government program showing citizens how to cross?
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Yes. The mexican version of the border patrol also has trucks that transport over illegals, if you saw the last video.
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I'd be very weary of using the term "invading" when you are talking about immigrants. Most of these people are below the poverty line and can no longer survive in a falling Mexican government.
In all honesty, if we want to continue preaching "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" we should give some leeway to the people eagerly trying to join this country.

There are people willing to die to have a better life here and all of a sudden you are slapping them as "criminals" guilty of "war crimes" (whoa, quotation abuse ). I'm not talking about your video. I'm not talking about hostile Mexicans. (But honestly, can you blame them for being hostile when U.S. citizens have set up militia forts to shoot people trying to come over here?)

Every day I see illegal immigrants trying very hard to get a daily job to support themselves or their family. They aren't moral criminals. And they certainly didn't mean to "invade" as you put it. It's not like they sit around in the thousands and plan how to sneakily cross the border. They are families leaving everything they have, their extended family, their histories, their possessions for the possibility of a better life.
I have illegal immigrants in my stepmother's family. A 92 year old woman who would have died without the health care that is offered in the United States. Would you call her a criminal? Is it so criminal to want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

Haha: Would you deny for others what you demand for yourself?

I'm just thinking globally. I have no idea what the "crossing the border" laws are or how difficult it is to get here legally. But I'm just saying to cut the non-violent illegal immigrants some slack. They aren't criminals.
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Yes. The mexican version of the border patrol also has trucks that transport over illegals, if you saw the last video.
Well you answered my question, it's not a real government program.
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IMO, this problem seems to go around in circles and each point on the circle only perpetuates it further. I think the way Justin's arguments flow are a good example of how you can really blame anyone here, it just depends on what perspective you're taking at the time.

What I see is this: Many people in Mexico are poor and because of corruption or bad economics, really have no chance. They can't afford to cross legally, so they do it illegally. You can't get a good job as an illegal, but ironically you're basically forced to in order to BE legal. Like my friend from Central America who was from a poor family and now has the same education I do - he was required to find a full time job that would sign a three year contract in order to maintain a valid visa, while I get off easy because I'm a born citizen and can float between shitty part time jobs or unemployment as I please. So then people start blaming the corporations who either won't give good jobs to legals or will give shitty jobs to illegals because they will take less pay. But it's not always their fault either. Did you know that they are not allowed to fire someone just because they suspect that person is illegal? My dad's employer has thousands of illegals, and everyone knows they are illegal, but they can't prove it because they've got SSNs even thought we all know they aren't valid. They are hard working, reliable people who will work for minimum wage and when required, produce some kind of documentation "proving" they are legal. Companies don't have the resources or the authority to run background checks just because they suspect the documentation is falsified. So then we go one step further and blame the US government for making it so damn hard for people to become legal and get a normal job. But where do we draw the line? Do we just let everyone in? We don't even have enough jobs for our own people, some of whom are just as poor. We're right back where we started.
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