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Old 12-20-2005, 01:36 PM   #106
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I don't see any difference between Monicagate and whatever you want to call this.
You don't see the difference in lying about something that should have remained a private matter and spying?

You really don't see the difference?

Wow

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If it turns out that Bush did not break any laws, will anyone here let it go?

Let what go?
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Old 12-20-2005, 01:36 PM   #107
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I doubt anyone on this board (except maybe Dreadsox) had any love for Bush when he entered office.
Nope...I was horrified at what his people did to McCain.

I can say that I never once voted for Bush.
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I have spent most of this Presidency trying to be SOMEWHAT objective. I've tried to stay out of a lot of the debates. At worst, I thought the President was delusional. Definitely not farsighted.
But I'm tired of being polite. Fuck you, Mr. President.
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Old 12-20-2005, 01:38 PM   #109
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I'm so old, I remember when it was the conservatives who were suspicious of government. My how times have changed.
So true.

They also still try and use the "we stand for small government" line.
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But if he got a blow job you'd be screaming impeachment...

A common re-writing of history, but the impeachment process dealt with lying under oath.

But I digress from our W bashing.... carry on.
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If you don't live well within the status quo, if you think outside the box, if you question anything you are the enemy.
Sounds a like a little too much hyperbole.


An investigation of a PETA event may indeed be warranted given some of the violent acts done by animal rights organizations.

Unless, of course, there is acceptable violence (which we should properly define).
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but will never approach 60% approval rating again


can we hold you to that statement ?
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I love how some people don't care whether he follows the law. They just blindly take it.

No one is above the law.
Yes, the President must follow the law.


But there has been precious little discussion on the laws that were broken and the facts that substantiate the criminal violations.

We can continue to speak in generalities, but we do not bring any granularity to the issue.
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A common re-writing of history, but the impeachment process dealt with lying under oath.

But what was the lie about?
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You don't see the difference in lying about something that should have remained a private matter and spying?

You really don't see the difference?

Wow



Let what go?
Has anything been proven? Have any laws been broken? Are there any indictments? Is there even an investigation yet?

It just seems that Bush's opponents are a little too eager condemn him, not unlike Clinton's opponents.
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An investigation of a PETA event may indeed be warranted given some of the violent acts done by animal rights organizations.
So I see PETA's the new terrorist cell.

Investigate all you want, keep it within the law, and don't blurr it with 9/11.
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A common re-writing of history, but the impeachment process dealt with lying under oath.

But I digress from our W bashing.... carry on.


nah. i think it's very easy to create the case that questioning someone about their sex life constitutes a perjury trap.

but continue with your derisive comments.
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Yes, the President must follow the law.


But there has been precious little discussion on the laws that were broken and the facts that substantiate the criminal violations.

We can continue to speak in generalities, but we do not bring any granularity to the issue.
You are right. The investigation hasn't taken place.

But there has already been many who've displayed acceptance of these actions no matter what the end results. Those that have already accepted that breaking the law is something he had to do to protect this country.

I believe this is what Scarletwine was referring to.
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Has anything been proven? Have any laws been broken? Are there any indictments? Is there even an investigation yet?

It just seems that Bush's opponents are a little too eager condemn him, not unlike Clinton's opponents.
You can't prove much without an investigation, hopefully that will happen and the truth will follow.

But you can't be so blind as to not see the difference between illegal spying(if true), and trapping someone into perjury.

If this does prove to be true. There was no trap set, there was no need for a trap, Bush set it himself.
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You can't prove much without an investigation, hopefully that will happen and the truth will follow.

But you can't be so blind as to not see the difference between illegal spying(if true), and trapping someone into perjury.

If this does prove to be true. There was no trap set, there was no need for a trap, Bush set it himself.
Who forced Clinton to lie under oath?
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