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Old 12-17-2005, 09:36 AM   #31
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NEW YORK - President Bush refused to say whether the National Security Agency eavesdropped without warrants on people inside the United States but leaders of Congress condemned the practice on Friday and promised to look into what the administration has done.

“There is no doubt that this is inappropriate,” said Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He said there would be hearings early next year and that they would have “a very, very high priority.”

He wasn’t alone in reacting harshly to the report. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said the story, first reported in Friday’s New York Times, was troubling.

Bush said in an interview that “we do not discuss ongoing intelligence operations to protect the country. And the reason why is that there’s an enemy that lurks, that would like to know exactly what we’re trying to do to stop them.

“I will make this point,” he continued. “That whatever I do to protect the American people — and I have an obligation to do so — that we will uphold the law, and decisions made are made understanding we have an obligation to protect the civil liberties of the American people.”

The president spoke in an interview to be aired Friday evening on “The Newshour with Jim Lehrer.”

That's incredibly frightening. What's next bugging your damn house, telling you what to do? This should be big enough reason to impeach this s.o.b. I don't know how he is getting away with this bullshit. It's unbelievable. And yet people continue to support this scumbag and think he's the best thing ever.
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That we haven't had any terrorists attacks on our soil post 9-11 -01 makes this policy worthwhile.
Both Democrats and Republicans in Congress were informed this was happening in 2002, and didn't stand in the way.

Lastly with the intellegnce collected thru this process some terror activity was derailed and the country was spared another catastrophe in 2002 and 2003.

Nobody complained then.

Also the govt only was montoring trans Alantic calls on suspected terrorists.

It's not like they were snooping around in PLEBA.

You whiners need to get over yourselves.

This is only polictical oppurtunism blow-horned by the Left as thy have no concrete plan to defeat Terrorism.

To not admit this, is disingenious.

And Dread shame on you for posting this drivel.
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"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
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Terrorists want to take away our freedoms so what the hell lets give up our freedoms and they won't hate us anymore
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Oh they will still hate you regardless of your state of freedom, but the point rings true. There is a line that hampers efforts to fight terrorism, it is a line that an amoral society may be willing to tread but given the abuses that inevitably occur it cannot be tollerated.

Why with mad quote skillz like that you could be some sort of a leader person
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I'm not surprised at all by this. A good description.

If Bush thought eavesdropping laws were too onerous post 9/11, he was required to ask Congress to CHANGE THE LAW, not just violate it for 3 years
by John in DC - 12/16/2005 02:14:00 PM


This new domestic eavesdropping scandal has nothing to do with September 11. Rather, it has everything to do with George Bush thinking he's living an episode of the hit spy show "24," where a fictional US anti-terror agent regularly breaks the law in order to catch the bad guy.

Unfortunately, George Bush isn't Kiefer Sutherland, and 24 is only a TV show.

We now know that for the past 3 years the Bush administration broke American law in order to spy on American citizens. Why? Bush says it's because the current law was so onerous that our spy agencies couldn't find the terrorists in a moment's notice.

Maybe that's true, maybe it's not.

But, if the president of the United States thinks US civil rights and privacy laws are too onerous and are hampering the war on terror, maybe - MAYBE - he breaks the law the first time the issue comes up - let's face it, he's afraid Osama is running out the door and Bush doesn't have time to call a judge. Okay, it's possible.

But Bush didn't do this once. He did it for the past 3 years.

The first time you break the law to catch a terrorist who is fleeing, I might forgive you. But after that incident passes, you go to Congress and you ask them to change the law to address this urgent need. You do NOT just shrug your shoulders and break the law repeatedly for 3 years because you're just too proud to ask Congress - to ask OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS - to weigh the case for and against your radical proposal to spy on the American people.

This is incredibly serious. Bush did what a dictator does, not what an American president should have done.

In America, when the president has a problem with the law he goes to Congress and presents his case, and asks our elected officials to weigh the merits of the case and then vote on changing the law. Only dictators say to hell with Congress, to hell with our laws, to hell with our democratic process.

This isn't just wrong what Bush did, it isn't just criminal, it violates the most basic tenets of our democratic form of government. We have a man in power in the White House who thinks he is above the law. Bush's holier than thou snubbing of the rule of law, the will of the American people, and the truth needs to stop now. From the invasion of Iraq to this current scandal, we see a disturbing pattern of a rather-average man who's thinks he's too good and too smart to be honest with the American people.

We need an immediate independent investigation, and if this story is confirmed, Bush should resign or be removed from office.
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I think Ben Franklin while also being a great liberal of the age also invented the first bar thread.
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That we haven't had any terrorists attacks on our soil post 9-11 -01 makes this policy worthwhile.
This is the biggest bullshit argument I've ever heard. It's used to justify everything from spying, to the war, and even Bush's re-election. It's bullshit because you can't prove a thing. You have no idea if another attack was even planned, if there was you have no idea if it was this that stopped it.

So spare me the bullshit.

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Nobody complained then.
No one complained when I was going 75 mph in a 65 mph, but I still broke the law. Complaint? Do you know anything about the law?
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Also the govt only was montoring trans Alantic calls on suspected terrorists.
Suspected terrorists? Diamond this could be anyone. It could be anyone that voted against Bush. It could be anyone of a certain religion. Hell it could be anyone who bought a ticket to F-911 with a credit card.

You act as if our intelligence on this is reliable. It's not.

I assure you though, you are probably one of the few that I can assure won't ever by spied on, for your loyalty no matter what law he breaks or how horrible the policy he makes is duly noted.
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I thought we'd learned something from Watergate. It was that no matter who you are, in the United States, if you break the law, you pay. In case you've ever wondered how the Democrats won the 1976 Presidential election, it was because of Watergate. Conservatives all over demanded impeachment after Watergate, and I expect it again this time. I read all of the Watergate books in college and thought it'd never happen again. Gosh was I ever naive!
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To not admit this, is disingenious.

And Dread shame on you for posting this drivel.
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The Patriot Act was supposed to be enough. If it was not the President should have gone through LEGAL channels to increase the power of the Patriot Act.

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Life was so much better when airplanes were flying into buildings!

That's really disgusting to say.
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Stalinist puppet trials...now those were the good old days.

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