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Old 12-20-2005, 07:41 PM   #136
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By GLEN JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer

Domestic spying authorized by the White House "doesn't uphold our Constitution" and President Bush's defense of the practice is "lame," Sen. John Kerry said Tuesday.

The Massachusetts Democrat also said the alleged White House leak of a CIA agent's identity was more serious than the media's disclosure of the spying program.

Bush said Monday it was "a shameful act" for someone to have leaked details of the spying program that he authorized shortly after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The program allows the National Security Agency to eavesdrop — without warrants — on international calls and e-mails of Americans and others inside the U.S. with suspected ties to al-Qaida.

Kerry, talking with reporters after addressing ironworkers at a local labor hall, contrasted the media's disclosure of the spy program with the White House leak involving Valerie Plame.

Her identity as a CIA analyst was exposed in July 2003 after her husband, former ambassador Joe Wilson, challenged an administration justification for the Iraqi war.

"The leak in the White House was an effort to destroy somebody and his family and attack them for telling the truth," the senator said.

"The leak that took place in this case is a leak that — I'm not excusing it — is to tell the truth about something that violates the rights of Americans and doesn't uphold our Constitution," Kerry said.

Bush has said Congress gave him the power to authorize the spying under a mandate to protect the country "by all means necessary."

Kerry called the explanation "lame" and said "there is no wording whatsoever in the law that permits what he engaged in."

The Republican National Committee batted away the criticism.

"While President Bush remains focused on defending Americans against those intent on doing us harm, John Kerry remains focused on attacking President Bush," RNC spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt said.
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:57 PM   #137
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Doesn't this Executive Order (number 12949 for those inclined to investigate) give permission to do surveillance without a court order?



By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution
and the laws of the United States, including sections 302 and 303
of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 ("Act") (50
U.S.C. 1801, et seq.), as amended by Public Law 103-359, and in
order to provide for the authorization of physical searches for
foreign intelligence purposes as set forth in the Act, it is
hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) of the Act, the
Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches,
without a court order, to acquire foreign intelligence
information for periods of up to one year, if the Attorney
General makes the certification required by that section.

Sec. 2. Pursuant to section 302(b) of the Act, the Attorney
General is authorized to approve applications to the Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Court under section 303 of the Act to
obtain orders for physical searches for the purpose of collecting
foreign intelligence information.

Sec. 3. Pursuant to section 303(a)(7) of the Act, the following
officials, each of whom is employed in the area of national
security or defense, is designed to make the certifications
required by section 303(a)(7) of the Act in support of
applications to conduct physical searches:

(a) Secretary of State;
(b) Secretary of Defense;
(c) Director of Central Intelligence;
(d) Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation,
(e) Deputy Secretary of State;
(f) Deputy Secretary of Defense; and
(g) Deputy Director of Central Intelligence.

None of the above officials, nor anyone officially acting in that
capacity, may exercise the authority to make the above
certifications, unless that official has been appointed by the
President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.

/s/William J. Clinton

THE WHITE HOUSE,
February 9, 1995.
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The Borowitz Report

The Gift That Keeps on Giving

Bush urges his fellow Americans to keep an eye on each other over the festive season.

My fellow Americans, over the holidays many of you will be receiving new camcorders as gifts," Bush told his national television audience. "Instead of making boring home movies of your children, point the camera at the house next door and see what your neighbors are up to."

Saying that the people next door "might be evildoers," Bush said that by spying on one's neighbors, "You're going to find out who's naughty or nice."

Coming just days after he defended his own practice of wiretapping phone conversations without a court warrant, Bush's exhortation to the American people to snoop on one another over the holidays was the latest indication that he intends to ramp up domestic spying in the new year.

"Invasion of privacy is the gift that keeps on giving," the president said.

Perhaps in an attempt to preempt criticism of his domestic spying program, Bush added that he was "more than willing" to let the government spy on him.

"Go ahead, get a list of every library book I've taken out in the last five years," he said. "You won't find anything."
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:34 PM   #139
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Mr. Keebler...

it says PHYSICAL searches....

not the type we are discussing.
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Mr. Keebler...

it says PHYSICAL searches....

not the type we are discussing.


John Dean is shocked at what Bush has done and said. He thinks he should be impeached, and of all people I think John Dean would know.
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http://drudgereport.com/flash8.htm
Matthew 23:27


"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitened tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but inwardly are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. (WEB
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So what, are you defending Clinton or saying that Bush should indeed go down?


Also, Drudge Report is not the most reliable source. They made one hit with Lewinsky. Other than that it's pretty much tabloid.
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http://drudgereport.com/flash8.htm
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"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitened tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but inwardly are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. (WEB
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So where is President Bush's executive order?

And, last I heard, an executive order still does not excuse unconstitutional behavior.

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So where is President Bush's executive order?

And, last I heard, an executive order still does not excuse unconstitutional behavior.

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Congress has not Declared War

They authorized use of force....

They have not Declared War!
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War On Terror.
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War On Terror.
Sounds pretty Orwellian.

Have you ever read 1984?
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well by that logic we've been at war since..well since whenever they started that war on drugs!
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War On Terror.
It's a catch phrase, just like the "war on drugs" or the "war on AIDS."

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