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Old 09-26-2008, 07:39 PM   #451
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All you have to do is go back to when Palin was first selected and examine the reasons why people in here stated she was unqualified to be Vice President. All of the reasons listed had to do with her years and level of elective office experience. The size of the town where she held elective office and the size of the state where she held elective office were also mentioned.

If you don't believe me, I can go back and dig up the qoutes including your own.
Once again all nuance escapes you. Prior to her being interviewed, you are right, a lot of us looked at her experience and deemed her not worthy. That may have been premature. However, you will note that prior to her being picked she had absolutely NO publicly held views on several key national issues - foreign policy, the economy, education, etc, etc, etc - and that was quite a hint to the rest of us that those things weren't even on her radar as governor of Alaska. But I will grant you that if we judged her purely on her experience on paper, that would be premature.

However, it's not really about experience on paper - and that is clearly NOT what we are exclusively judging her on. It's about preparedness for the challenges that face you should you win. And in every single interview I've read and seen of hers, at every opportunity she has had to publicly demonstrate her grasp of the issues, she has instead demonstrated a clear lack of understanding, an inability to think on her feet and a devastatingly poor ability to articulate clear, intelligent and logical answers to relatively straightforward questions.

At this point I wouldn't care if her experience list was extensive, she has clearly demonstrated that she's out of her league.

I will say no more to you on this issue, because I know it won't make any difference with you anyway.
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oh well.........doing 'puter art, too, where I am on line........

will have to read more of this thread next week
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BTW - Irvine why does it take half naked, wet men to get you out of FYM.

There is fun to be had all over this lemonade stand and your humor is appreciated.


i appreciate the kind words. it's usually a time management thing. i only really have time to shake my fist in here and then read WTAHNN and get apathetic. i know it looks like i spend most of my day in here, but i do a lot of writing, and i just log on and post quickly and then log off before someone walks by my desk.

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That may have been premature.

except that i don't think it was. it was an indication that she'd done no preparation in any public way for the office of the VP. she had no positions. none. so we waited to see if she had something to offer. and she didn't. so, our initial instincts, which were *always* made with qualifications and the knowledge that, yes, things could turn out differently, have turned out to be absolutely spot on. she has no opinions. she's done no thinking. she's borne that well out in public.

of course, as is the case here, the qualifications and nuances are going to be ignored in a pathetic attempt to "prove" that you were somehow "wrong" when you speculated and offered thoughts on something.
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The very fact that you described another man as having "an angular jaw" is revealing.


who remembers that ZS "Top Gun" thread?

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except that i don't think it was.
I was being generous.

And qualified it with her complete lack of publicly held views on important issues, which as you say were a good indication that national political issues weren't really on her radar. Which was confirmed once she started talking.
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I was being generous.

And qualified it with her complete lack of publicly held views on important issues, which as you say were a good indication that national political issues weren't really on her radar. Which was confirmed once she started talking.

i hear you.

from the way things look, all McCain's got left is racism and people who want to put an end to the baby killin'.

oh no! did i say something that sounded like a projection based upon the information we now have that the polls are starting to break very much in Obama's favor and he's up by, like, 5 in VA! you realize that if he goes down by a point or two in VA then i will have been WRONG!
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i hear you.

from the way things look, all McCain's got left is racism and people who want to put an end to the baby killin'.

oh no! did i say something that sounded like a projection based upon the information we now have that the polls are starting to break very much in Obama's favor and he's up by, like, 5 in VA! you realize that if he goes down by a point or two in VA then i will have been WRONG!


ooo and he has the whole iraq thing.. I mean eye-rack thing...
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SHe is not as good as she seemed. And that was many a posters point in here. Wait, lets see how she interviews and god forbid....debates.

Want a conspiracy? McCain was hoping he would get away with moving tonight to next week to cancel her debate.
I'll up you on the conspiracy...she's been acting so dumb and then all of a sudden at the debate she'll blow Biden away. Like she would a moose. Just kidding
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Curbing Their Enthusiasm
By Kate Phillips
The drip, drip, drip of bad reviews keep falling this week against Gov. Sarah Palin, whose two-day segments of interviews with CBS’ Katie Couric have weakened conservatives’ initial embrace and enthusiasm for the vice-presidential nominee. As if Senator John McCain already hadn’t faced a rough week, which started with conservative columnist George Will bemoaning the Republican candidate’s positions on the economic bailout and suggesting Mr. McCain may be unfit to be president.

Now, conservatives have never warmed to Senator McCain this time around, but they were wowed by Mr. McCain’s selection of Ms. Palin as his running mate and at first, circled the wagons to defend her, despite her lack of foreign policy experience. She talked their values and represented small-town America, something neither ticket had offered to anyone before she surfaced.

But it seems a watershed moment occurred online earlier today when Kathleen Parker, a writer for TownHall.com, reversed her initial support for the Republican vice-presidential nominee and said Ms. Palin should drop out. Put the country first, she basically advised, by saying you need to go take care of your family first.

In a devastating assessment, Ms. Parker writes:

Palin didn’t make a mess cracking the glass ceiling. She simply glided through it.

It was fun while it lasted.

Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

And then Ms. Parker winds it up, turning the backlash against women who criticize women on its head:

If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true.

What to do?

McCain can’t repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the G.O.P.’s unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.

Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

Do it for your country.

The National Review’s Kathryn Jean Lopez chimed in: “I don’t know Sarah Palin. Having missed the last cruise to Alaska, I’ve actually never met her. National Review wasn’t on her list of stops this week in New York. So I can’t pretend to know what her wiring is all about. But I know I like a lot of what I’ve heard her say. I also know a lot of what I like about her could be projection. I’m not where my friend Kathleen Parker is — wanting her to step aside to spend more time with her family and Alaska — but that’s not a crazy suggestion. She’s right to say that something’s gotta change.”

Ms. Parker’s words fell like dead weight on top of earlier columns this week on the right-leaning side of the blogosphere about the McCain-Palin ticket.

In a column on Thursday, conservative Rich Lowry compared Senator McCain to the “proverbial cartoon character over the edge of the cliff, in midair, desperately flapping his arms and somehow maintaining altitude.” Mr. McCain, he continues, has been “making moves that mark him as different, but can be seen as risky or gimmicky.” One of those moves, according to Mr. Lowry, was adding Governor Palin to the Republican ticket:

Does Palin know enough to be a national candidate right now? No, but she can be mostly walled off from the press. Will attacking Obama on Fannie and Freddie open McCain to attack because one of his top aides lobbied for the organizations? Yes, but he can bulldog through it. Is going to Washington going to help much of anything? Probably not, but the symbolism matters. All the unconventional moves risk eroding McCain’s reputation as a steady hand, but the alternative is simply being overwhelmed by the gravitational pull of the public’s desire for change.

And at The American Spectator, Philip Klein twice reviewed Governor Palin’s interviews this week. At first, he said: “Her answer that not supporting a bailout could mean a Great Depression was off message and irresponsible. For the rest of the interview, it was just lots of tired cliches, and random jargon that made it seem as if she was reading off of mental index cards. I know a lot of conservatives like Sarah Palin and always rush to her defense. But it’s absolutely not meant as an insult to say that she simply is not ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.”

But in a second take, Mr. Klein came away a little bit less judgmental about some of her answers, but said he wasn’t swayed away from her not being qualified. Still, he added: “What I am saying is that Palin is in a situation in which she has to field questions on a lot of subjects that she doesn’t know a lot about. Rather than try to spit out rehearsed lines over and over again, she would be better off, as much as possible, to speak in her own words, rooted in her own values, and sense of right and wrong.”

The Times’s David Brooks earlier challenged conservatives who were thrilled by the Palin pick, supporting her “on the grounds that something that feels so good could not possibly be wrong” — even though others have raised serious doubts about her qualifications. In his Sept. 15 column, Mr. Brooks made an argument for the importance of “prudence.” He asked:

“What is prudence? It is the ability to grasp the unique pattern of a specific situation. It is the ability to absorb the vast flow of information and still discern the essential current of events — the things that go together and the things that will never go together. It is the ability to engage in complex deliberations and feel which arguments have the most weight.”

So, does Governor Palin have it? Mr. Brooks wrote: “Sarah Palin has many virtues. If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she’d be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness.”
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" If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she'd be your woman."

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I like steak, but I'll also do seafood. I hope that works for you.

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you had me at "steak"

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Steak is a wonderful, wonderful thing. There are a few steakhouses in San Francisco that I'd love to try out. Of course you can rarely go wrong with the House of Prime Rib (they do one thing, and they do it damn well), but I like a little variety.
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As I've said before, I believe McCain gambled. . .

He gambled with his selection of Palin. At first I thought he won that roll of the dice but it looks like he may have lost.

He gambled with this move to postpone the debates. Then he ended up backpedaling and going anyway. He definitely lost that gamble.

I don't really want a man so prone to gambling to be running our country. What if he decides to "what the heck" and gamble on Iran? Russia?
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