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Old 09-26-2008, 06:40 PM   #421
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Call of the Wild
September 24, 2008
Updated: September 26, 2008
A wildlife group's ad attacks Palin for supporting the shooting of wolves from airplanes. She does, but there's more to it than that.
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A new ad from Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund shows the pursuit and shooting of a wolf from a small plane and tells viewers that Sarah Palin "actively promotes" such killings. It's true that she does, and in 2007 she offered $150 payments for anyone who brought the left forepaw of a wolf to state officials. The ad calls the practice "brutal and unethical" but doesn't tell the whole story.

Alaskan officials call it "predator control," not aerial hunting, and use it to keep the populations of moose and caribou high for subsistence hunters.


The program is limited to just 9 percent of the state's land mass, or five of 26 Department of Fish and Game districts.


Far from being endangered, as they are in the Lower 48 states, gray wolves number between 7,000 and 11,000 in Alaska.
FactCheck.org: Call of the Wild
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Ideally, yes. But a clear line of secession is the raison d'être. Now should the unthinkable happen, why doesn't the presumably Democratic Congress just impeach Palin 1 hour after she's sworn in so we can put the irrefutably-qualified-to-be-president Nancy Pelosi in the oval office.
Then we can have San Francisco values from sea to shining sea.
Roughly 1 in 5 Presidents (18.6%) have not completed their full term.

A 72 year old with health issues makes that number loom a little larger.

It's not "unthinkable" objectively speaking.

And it's certainly not unreasonable to want a Vp candidate, ANY VP candidate to have a reasonable grasp of the issues.

This would be something you'd otherwise agree with 100% (I consider you to be quite level headed) if you didnt feel the need to be an apologist in this case.

Politically it was a brilliant choice. For a man like McCain, whom moderates love for his principle rather than his platform, to make such a choice shoud be disquieting. The politics are winning out though, such is reality. Ideallistically. I'm not sure parsing the issues matter much anymore.
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While no single definition exists of "San Francisco values," it is often used to describe elements of a secular progressive culture commonly associated with San Francisco. Among other things, the term has been associated with same-sex marriage, anti-war activism, pro-choice philosophy, marijuana decriminalization, secularism, open-door immigration policies, and a more socialist government.[1] "San Francisco values" is primarily used in a pejorative sense, employed by conservative members of the media.
In other words, cultural elites with little or no tolerance for dissenting political views or religion based moral codes. I don't know if Sarah Palin will ever be vice-president or president but it's safe to assume she could never be mayor of San Franciso.

Great city to visit however.
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In other words, cultural elites
What's a cultural elite?

Somebody who has traveled? Somebody who speaks multiple languages? Somebody who has lived abroad? Somebody who likes to go to an art gallery on a Saturday morning? Somebody who likes Malaysian food?

What?
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Wrong. Plainly wrong. What you so obviously fail to understand is that no one here has set up "some static amount of experience that someone has to have before they become Vice President or President of the United States." The only thing we have said is that it is plainly obvious to most, and now even to some within McCain's own campaign ranks, that Sarah Palin is not qualified to be VP or Pres, based almost solely on her clear unpreparedness and lack of knowledge on the issues most important to the US and its citizens today.
All you have to do is go back to when Palin was first selected and examine the reasons why people in here stated she was unqualified to be Vice President. All of the reasons listed had to do with her years and level of elective office experience. The size of the town where she held elective office and the size of the state where she held elective office were also mentioned.

If you don't believe me, I can go back and dig up the qoutes including your own.

My response to the myth that Sarah Palin was unqualified do to her years and level of experience was simply to put Sarah Palin's elective office experience up against those that had actually served in the office, were nominated for it, or strongly considered for it.

If lefty nation here had simply done that instead of just mindlessly scrambling to find ways to tear down the new opponent, we would have had much less of this nonsense that Sarah Palin was unqualified to be Vice President because of her level of experience.



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If she came in with her present level of experience but also showed herself to be a quick learner possessing a keen intellect, an ability to display a fundamentally sound understanding of the issues and the ability to field questions and speak comfortably, intelligently and logically about those issues, I doubt anyone would be saying she's unqualified. But she hasn't displayed anything even close to that.
Except, you and others are already on record as saying she is unqualified based on her experience in government.



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How anyone can honestly and objectively look at her interviews and think she's ready to be the VP is beyond me. Even her own handlers are admitting she's not. Quite honestly, I believe anyone who looks at her interviews and thinks they're anything besides embarassing is so overwhelmingly partisan they can't even face up to reality anymore.

Look at her statements on foreign policy. Do you honestly believe that's the kind of understanding we should have from our second in command?
Would you like me to bring up some strange things Al Gore stated on Foreign Policy, both as a Vice Presidential Candidate and as Vice President? Joe Biden? W?



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Look at her statements on the economic crisis. Is that the kind of understanding we should have from our second in command?

Look at her statements on culture (people who travel abroad are from some culture that isn't used to working all their lives). Is that kind of understanding we want from our second in command?

Do you want a VP who is treated by her own administration as someone who should be shielded from questions for fear of her appearing out of her depth? Is that the kind of strength of character, intellect and strong leadership you want at the top?
I don't want someone like Barack Obama who thinks it was a mistake to remove Saddam in 2003 and that Kuwait, the Persian Gulf, and the United States would be safer and more secure in 2008 with Saddam in power in Iraq. I don't want someone like Joe Biden who voted against using military force to remove Saddam's military from Kuwait in 1991. I don't want someone like Barack Obama who did not understand the necessity of keeping US forces in Iraq and surging the level of forces in order to bring violence down in Iraq and move the political and economic situation in that country forward. I don't want someone like Barack Obama who opposed the Surge and said the Surge would FAIL and that it would INCREASE VIOLENCE. I don't want someone like Barack Obama who supports a time based withdrawal from Iraq instead of one that is strictly conditions based. I don't want someone like Joe Biden who's solution for Iraq is to rip it into three pieces. I don't want someone like Barack Obama who views the Defense Budget as something to be raided to support his pet domestic projects. I don't want someone like Barack Obama who is opposed to free trade. I don't want someone like Barack Obama who thinks that Georgia is responsible for the Russian invasion of and essentially the annexation of Georgian territory.

The fact is, Barack Obama gets an F when it comes to national security and foreign policy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Sarah Palin supports the removal of Saddam from power in 2003, probably supported the US 1991 Persian Gulf War, understood that the Surge would reduce violence in Iraq unlike Barack Obama, does not support ripping Iraq into 3 countries like Joe Biden, will increase defense spending instead of cutting it, will support free trade, and understands who is really at fault for the conflict in Georgia and the importance of keeping Russian adventurism at bay and expanding NATO.
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What's a cultural elite?
If you've been to a demolition derby at the state fair... you're safe.
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The questions I have asked which many simply can't or won't answer help show that the idea that Sarah Palin is unqualified to be President or Vice President based on her experience in elective office to this point, is total rubbish!
It's probably good for your 'side' that she never had to appear on Russert as would have been essential to their campaign.

People wonder why some of us lamented his loss, it was because the talking point chargers of the RNC could not have played the 'punching bag' card so easily after having been clearly exposed. I mean, we all know she's been exposed, it's just easily disguised right now.

So play it away (the card), Stingbow. It's working well enough you don't have to deal with reality. Reality in politics is a casualty of our collective sheer ignorance. We wonder why we can't effectuate change and our infrastructure is taking it up the arse? It's because even the people paying attention are caught having to play such a silly game to retain or gain power.
Case in point, the bailout bill.

I'm saying, there is the reality of Palin and her ineptitude and lack of qualifications but there isn't really much of a qualifcation at all. It can be whatever you want it to be and then you can defend it however you want. In some ways, I guess it has always been this way.

Pointless arguments but hey, at least we can say we are 'in tune' to the plight of our country. No amount of awareness can save us from the materialistic demon draggin us down. So I guess it's fun to argue about/discuss, that's about all it's worth.

Problem=the two party corporate system
Solution=a different way altogether
Outlook=hard not to be very, very, very cynical for "change"

I don't care if Palin is the VP, she'd be no more of a frontwoman for a cabinet of idealogues than Bush has been. That's the real danger and the real casualty. Critical thinking, regardless of political bend.
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what's up? i'm here (but not for long, heading out tonight).
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what's up? i'm here (but not for long, heading out tonight).

just wondering if u were going to respond to STing's post..


cool! where are ya off to tonite? painting the town red maybe?
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In other words, cultural elites with little or no tolerance for dissenting political views or religion based moral codes. I don't know if Sarah Palin will ever be vice-president or president but it's safe to assume she could never be mayor of San Franciso.

Great city to visit however.


you know what's great about "san francisco values"? is that they actually value tolerance and allowing people to live their lives how they want to live them and not inscribing their specific moralities into law like, say, with federal amendments designed to put hatred into the constitution.

under "san francisco values," you get to do whatever you want, worship however you want, say whatever you want because, at it's core, it's secularism.

and you cannot practice the religion you want in a society that is anything less than secular.
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just wondering if u were going to respond to STing's post..


STING has demonstrated that he's a troll, so he's on my Ignore List. the only person ever.
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Sarah Palin makes Dan Quayle look like Jack Kennedy?

these days, George W. Bush has made Goldwater look like Lincoln.
Truth be told she's no dumber than Bush. Remember some of those Bush moments from the last 8 years. Talk about awkward. All the Obama supporters here should be thanking our lucky stars that she's not as good as she seemed at the Republican convention.
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