Is Palin failin' ? or OMG McCain wins with Palin !! pt. 3

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Call of the Wild
September 24, 2008
Updated: September 26, 2008
A wildlife group's ad attacks Palin for supporting the shooting of wolves from airplanes. She does, but there's more to it than that.
Summary
A new ad from Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund shows the pursuit and shooting of a wolf from a small plane and tells viewers that Sarah Palin "actively promotes" such killings. It's true that she does, and in 2007 she offered $150 payments for anyone who brought the left forepaw of a wolf to state officials. The ad calls the practice "brutal and unethical" but doesn't tell the whole story.

Alaskan officials call it "predator control," not aerial hunting, and use it to keep the populations of moose and caribou high for subsistence hunters.


The program is limited to just 9 percent of the state's land mass, or five of 26 Department of Fish and Game districts.


Far from being endangered, as they are in the Lower 48 states, gray wolves number between 7,000 and 11,000 in Alaska.

FactCheck.org: Call of the Wild
 
Ideally, yes. But a clear line of secession is the raison d'être. Now should the unthinkable happen, why doesn't the presumably Democratic Congress just impeach Palin 1 hour after she's sworn in so we can put the irrefutably-qualified-to-be-president Nancy Pelosi in the oval office.
Then we can have San Francisco values from sea to shining sea.

Roughly 1 in 5 Presidents (18.6%) have not completed their full term.

A 72 year old with health issues makes that number loom a little larger.

It's not "unthinkable" objectively speaking.

And it's certainly not unreasonable to want a Vp candidate, ANY VP candidate to have a reasonable grasp of the issues.

This would be something you'd otherwise agree with 100% (I consider you to be quite level headed) if you didnt feel the need to be an apologist in this case.

Politically it was a brilliant choice. For a man like McCain, whom moderates love for his principle rather than his platform, to make such a choice shoud be disquieting. The politics are winning out though, such is reality. Ideallistically. I'm not sure parsing the issues matter much anymore.
 
What's wrong with San Francisco values?

While no single definition exists of "San Francisco values," it is often used to describe elements of a secular progressive culture commonly associated with San Francisco. Among other things, the term has been associated with same-sex marriage, anti-war activism, pro-choice philosophy, marijuana decriminalization, secularism, open-door immigration policies, and a more socialist government.[1] "San Francisco values" is primarily used in a pejorative sense, employed by conservative members of the media.
In other words, cultural elites with little or no tolerance for dissenting political views or religion based moral codes. I don't know if Sarah Palin will ever be vice-president or president but it's safe to assume she could never be mayor of San Franciso.

Great city to visit however.
 
In other words, cultural elites

What's a cultural elite?

Somebody who has traveled? Somebody who speaks multiple languages? Somebody who has lived abroad? Somebody who likes to go to an art gallery on a Saturday morning? Somebody who likes Malaysian food?

What?
 
Wrong. Plainly wrong. What you so obviously fail to understand is that no one here has set up "some static amount of experience that someone has to have before they become Vice President or President of the United States." The only thing we have said is that it is plainly obvious to most, and now even to some within McCain's own campaign ranks, that Sarah Palin is not qualified to be VP or Pres, based almost solely on her clear unpreparedness and lack of knowledge on the issues most important to the US and its citizens today.

All you have to do is go back to when Palin was first selected and examine the reasons why people in here stated she was unqualified to be Vice President. All of the reasons listed had to do with her years and level of elective office experience. The size of the town where she held elective office and the size of the state where she held elective office were also mentioned.

If you don't believe me, I can go back and dig up the qoutes including your own.

My response to the myth that Sarah Palin was unqualified do to her years and level of experience was simply to put Sarah Palin's elective office experience up against those that had actually served in the office, were nominated for it, or strongly considered for it.

If lefty nation here had simply done that instead of just mindlessly scrambling to find ways to tear down the new opponent, we would have had much less of this nonsense that Sarah Palin was unqualified to be Vice President because of her level of experience.



If she came in with her present level of experience but also showed herself to be a quick learner possessing a keen intellect, an ability to display a fundamentally sound understanding of the issues and the ability to field questions and speak comfortably, intelligently and logically about those issues, I doubt anyone would be saying she's unqualified. But she hasn't displayed anything even close to that.

Except, you and others are already on record as saying she is unqualified based on her experience in government.



How anyone can honestly and objectively look at her interviews and think she's ready to be the VP is beyond me. Even her own handlers are admitting she's not. Quite honestly, I believe anyone who looks at her interviews and thinks they're anything besides embarassing is so overwhelmingly partisan they can't even face up to reality anymore.

Look at her statements on foreign policy. Do you honestly believe that's the kind of understanding we should have from our second in command?

Would you like me to bring up some strange things Al Gore stated on Foreign Policy, both as a Vice Presidential Candidate and as Vice President? Joe Biden? W?



Look at her statements on the economic crisis. Is that the kind of understanding we should have from our second in command?

Look at her statements on culture (people who travel abroad are from some culture that isn't used to working all their lives). Is that kind of understanding we want from our second in command?

Do you want a VP who is treated by her own administration as someone who should be shielded from questions for fear of her appearing out of her depth? Is that the kind of strength of character, intellect and strong leadership you want at the top?

I don't want someone like Barack Obama who thinks it was a mistake to remove Saddam in 2003 and that Kuwait, the Persian Gulf, and the United States would be safer and more secure in 2008 with Saddam in power in Iraq. I don't want someone like Joe Biden who voted against using military force to remove Saddam's military from Kuwait in 1991. I don't want someone like Barack Obama who did not understand the necessity of keeping US forces in Iraq and surging the level of forces in order to bring violence down in Iraq and move the political and economic situation in that country forward. I don't want someone like Barack Obama who opposed the Surge and said the Surge would FAIL and that it would INCREASE VIOLENCE. I don't want someone like Barack Obama who supports a time based withdrawal from Iraq instead of one that is strictly conditions based. I don't want someone like Joe Biden who's solution for Iraq is to rip it into three pieces. I don't want someone like Barack Obama who views the Defense Budget as something to be raided to support his pet domestic projects. I don't want someone like Barack Obama who is opposed to free trade. I don't want someone like Barack Obama who thinks that Georgia is responsible for the Russian invasion of and essentially the annexation of Georgian territory.

The fact is, Barack Obama gets an F when it comes to national security and foreign policy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Sarah Palin supports the removal of Saddam from power in 2003, probably supported the US 1991 Persian Gulf War, understood that the Surge would reduce violence in Iraq unlike Barack Obama, does not support ripping Iraq into 3 countries like Joe Biden, will increase defense spending instead of cutting it, will support free trade, and understands who is really at fault for the conflict in Georgia and the importance of keeping Russian adventurism at bay and expanding NATO.
 
The questions I have asked which many simply can't or won't answer help show that the idea that Sarah Palin is unqualified to be President or Vice President based on her experience in elective office to this point, is total rubbish!

It's probably good for your 'side' that she never had to appear on Russert as would have been essential to their campaign.

People wonder why some of us lamented his loss, it was because the talking point chargers of the RNC could not have played the 'punching bag' card so easily after having been clearly exposed. I mean, we all know she's been exposed, it's just easily disguised right now.

So play it away (the card), Stingbow. It's working well enough you don't have to deal with reality. Reality in politics is a casualty of our collective sheer ignorance. We wonder why we can't effectuate change and our infrastructure is taking it up the arse? It's because even the people paying attention are caught having to play such a silly game to retain or gain power.
Case in point, the bailout bill.

I'm saying, there is the reality of Palin and her ineptitude and lack of qualifications but there isn't really much of a qualifcation at all. It can be whatever you want it to be and then you can defend it however you want. In some ways, I guess it has always been this way.

Pointless arguments but hey, at least we can say we are 'in tune' to the plight of our country. No amount of awareness can save us from the materialistic demon draggin us down. So I guess it's fun to argue about/discuss, that's about all it's worth.

Problem=the two party corporate system
Solution=a different way altogether
Outlook=hard not to be very, very, very cynical for "change"

I don't care if Palin is the VP, she'd be no more of a frontwoman for a cabinet of idealogues than Bush has been. That's the real danger and the real casualty. Critical thinking, regardless of political bend.
 
In other words, cultural elites with little or no tolerance for dissenting political views or religion based moral codes. I don't know if Sarah Palin will ever be vice-president or president but it's safe to assume she could never be mayor of San Franciso.

Great city to visit however.



you know what's great about "san francisco values"? is that they actually value tolerance and allowing people to live their lives how they want to live them and not inscribing their specific moralities into law like, say, with federal amendments designed to put hatred into the constitution.

under "san francisco values," you get to do whatever you want, worship however you want, say whatever you want because, at it's core, it's secularism.

and you cannot practice the religion you want in a society that is anything less than secular.
 
Sarah Palin makes Dan Quayle look like Jack Kennedy?

these days, George W. Bush has made Goldwater look like Lincoln.

Truth be told she's no dumber than Bush. Remember some of those Bush moments from the last 8 years. Talk about awkward. All the Obama supporters here should be thanking our lucky stars that she's not as good as she seemed at the Republican convention.
 
SHe is not as good as she seemed. And that was many a posters point in here. Wait, lets see how she interviews and god forbid....debates.

Want a conspiracy? McCain was hoping he would get away with moving tonight to next week to cancel her debate.
 
Want a conspiracy? McCain was hoping he would get away with moving tonight to next week to cancel her debate.


that's moving from conspiracy to consensus.

she was awful with Couric. absolutely awful. when Putin flies over Alaska?

someone should tell her that "Red Dawn" was set in Colorado.
 
I for one hate the gays.

My life was fine until you guys got all mainstream. Now I've got to know what 'cut' my jeans are. I've got to know how to dance. I've got to listen to women. They want me to groom.

Fuck you all (not literally of course).
 
Thanks for posting this Mrs Springsteen..... :)
I don't usually get to read her columns for the past several years.

Bumping up against the limits of female bonding
By Ellen Goodman | September 19, 2008

".......What finally sent her over the top was the poster. There was Sarah Palin as Rosie the Riveter, flexing her biceps under the motto: "We Can Do It!" The image was the same on the T-shirt my friend had left over from the primaries - but with a crucial difference.

"They've Photoshopped Sarah over Hillary. And women are falling for this!" she bellowed into my voicemail.........."

Frak it! :angry:
That one I hadn't heard yet......

".......Three weeks after the nomination of the Candidate from Nowhere, there is still a flood tide of women choking on the possibility that Hillary Clinton paved the way for Sarah Palin. At the same time, there are snarky charges of "hypocrisy" and sneers at "sisterhood" from the right........"

:madspit: I never would have voted for Maggie Thatcher, thank you very much!

It's the twisted effect -if Palin did end up as Prez, for her to go about with her Christian Dominists/Reconstructionists [ and you'll should google THEM up, if you've never heard that term- I was informed, oh, about ?2 -3 yrs ago, and did google them up :yikes: I knew The Christian RIght was bad for women// GL/B/TG// other Christian Denominations// Catholics// let alone- people of other Faiths & Atheists, -- but eeeyyyiiii--- #Danger# #Danger# for all of the USA & the whole world! ] with their kind of plans would most likely remove women from most (if not all) positions of any power. And worst to come of all others mentions.

Sort of like Clarence Thomas pulling the Ladder of Affirmative Action (after he got his help) up after him.

I have heard that her husband ( Husaband as "Head of Household" ) had a fair amount of say in her Governership's working. He of the secessionist's movement for Alaska.

"........ It's time to remember the suffragists who worked their whole lives to win the vote for women, believing that their vote could change the country. *And then despaired of those women voting just like their conservative husbands. It's time to recall the civil wars of the second-wave feminists and the mommy wars of today. Solidarity is not forever, it's not even for high school. ......"

*altered to highlight
se above comments :)
".......During this primary, Democratic women were often divided by generation. Many edgy conversations and strained family dinners took place between older women supporting Clinton and younger women supporting Obama. Mothers thought daughters had abandoned the women's movement. Daughters told mothers they'd been liberated to vote for the person, not the gender............."

My first choice was Edwards because he talked about "the two Americas", and when he dropped out-- listening to a lot of stuff on liberal radio station, more conservative local newspapers, I really saw Positives & Negatives for both Hillary, and Barack. In their positions and how they might do against (then) Future Republican Presidential Candidate.

I chose Hillary, but barely after taking around 2 mins in the booth. Then I wondered as I walked out of the school polling place if I should have voted for Barack.:huh:
I know would have thought the same thing if I had voted for Barack.

WHile I did have a bit of an echo of disappointment when Barack did win. Why of many circumstances did two very serious "Firsts" have to end up running against each other! :doh:
I was also thrilled to watch and listen to Barack ( & Michelle ) at the convention. Hillary also gave a roaring speech, as did Bill (but he just said something NOT HELPUL at his CGI yesterday. :mad: )

".......After all, Palin may yet be the fulfillment of an old feminist prophecy that Texan Sissy Farenthold once described with her tongue firmly planted in her cheek. We will have achieved equality the day mediocre women take their place beside mediocre men. Check that one off the to-do list. " /QUOTE]

We can well DO WITHOUT THAT particular wry observation/ result at this time!!! :scream:
 
The very fact that you described another man as having "an angular jaw" is revealing.

What?

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