Is Palin failin' ? or OMG McCain wins with Palin !! pt. 2

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WHAT THE F#*K!!!

Could someone please confirm for me and others if this story is real???
I have no idea who this guy Mark Levin is but if this is true then ABC News really did a hatchet job on the Palin/Gibson interview. Which would be really weird. What the hell is going on here - maybe the left IS as nuts as the right in America.

The Mark Levin Show � Gibson Interview




erm, reading what they edited out actually makes me think she's even more clueless than i thought -- seems like they cut out the endless repetition of the memorized soundbytes, "keep our eye on russia" and "we cannot repeat a Cold war" and they actually cut out a huge assist he gave her on the Bush Doctrine.

yes, Harry, just what the hell is going on here?

do tell us.
 
I think that the concept of equal rights and universal suffrage are compatible with opposing abortion rights. I really don't see how feminist necessitates support for abortion rights.

And one only needs to google it to find that such a beast supposedly exists, Pro-life feminism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, I'm aware of that.

The most prominent pro-life feminist organization is Feminists for Life.

Which is the anti-abortion group that Palin is a member of.

If I wanted to take the time, I could sit here and come up with a theory as to why women should not get equitable pay in the workplace, how it would be better for families and for society as a whole if they didn't. If I were persuasive enough, I could get at least a few other women to agree with me. Probably conservatives, because realistically, how likely would a liberal be to agree with this? Then we could cloak ourselves in the feminist label, saying how equal pay ultimately makes us slaves to men, and oppresses us, or something, and voila, we'd have ourselves a movement. And you know what? It would be bullshit. Just like Feminists for Life is. The fundamental ingredient of feminism is choice, and that's what they're trying to take away.
 
erm, reading what they edited out actually makes me think she's even more clueless than i thought -- seems like they cut out the endless repetition of the memorized soundbytes, "keep our eye on russia" and "we cannot repeat a Cold war" and they actually cut out a huge assist he gave her on the Bush Doctrine.

yes, Harry, just what the hell is going on here?

do tell us.

Before I explain what I see in the interview, let me first state that I am disgusted with both the left and the right media in the U.S. - the only two "civil" folks in the whole circus appear to be Obama and Palin (is it a co-incidence that they are the least "experienced" of the four???) - in fact, if Palin was a little less extreme and more centered she would have made ten times the running mate for Obama than Biden or Hillary. Unfortunately she is far too right for that position. Having said that, it is obvious to me that ABC "edited" out these parts NOT for time but for a bias towards Obama. They made Palin (who is most certainly NOT an intellectual by any stretch) look scarier than she may have come off if they included the full interview (especially the Russia question!!!). And then there's Charlie Gibson, coming off looking like a snooty schoolteacher. This whole election has certainly taught me alot about "politics" and may I predict that sometime in the near future America (for better or worse) will elect a commonman/woman for the highest office. This banter about experience is a bunch of hogwash. Look what "experience" has gotten you into all these years.
 
"like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness."


I think to critique Palin for her lack of experience--at least if you're an Obama supporter--is to wield a double edged sword. You have to be prepared to explain why the experience issue is important for Palin but not for Obama. I think the key to such an explanation is in the quote from the article on Palin that was posted here.

The issue, for me, is less experience but judgement. I don't get the sense of brashness and excessive decisiveness from Obama that we got from Bush. It's Bush's governing style--the kind of shoot from the hip, cowboy approach, especially in foreign policy--that was a problem more than his lack of experience. After all, his closest advisors had decades of government experience and they were hardly trying to "reign him in." Bush would make a great "movie president." I could totally see him beating up the bad guys himself if he had to. Palin would make a great movie VP.

But we don't live in the movies. We live in real life.
 
Having said that, it is obvious to me that ABC "edited" out these parts NOT for time but for a bias towards Obama. They made Palin (who is most certainly NOT an intellectual by any stretch) look scarier than she may have come off if they included the full interview (especially the Russia question!!!). And then there's Charlie Gibson, coming off looking like a snooty schoolteacher.

First off, I'm not sure if I buy this transcript 100%. According to this transcript some of the sentences were cut midsentence, I watched the interview and didn't notice anywhere where this could have taken place, but who knows.

Secondly, I don't think any of the cut interview really showed anything we didn't see before. The same repeated rhetoric, and who knows without seeing it how it actually came off, did she stumble, hesitate, look nervous?

I see no conspiracy...
 
Another PUMA Hillary supporter switches to McCain:

Top Clinton fundraiser backing McCain, not Obama 1 hour, 56 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - John McCain's campaign says the Republican is picking up the support of a top Hillary Clinton fundraiser and member of the Democratic National Committee's Platform Committee.



Lynn Forester de Rothschild has said she thinks Democratic nominee Barack Obama is arrogant and has a problem connecting with average Americans.

Rothschild is a member of the DNC's Democrats Abroad chapter and splits her time living in London and New York. She was one of Clinton's top fundraisers, bringing in more than $100,000 for her presidential campaign. She built a multimillion-dollar telecommunications company before marrying international banker Sir Evelyn de Rothschild.

Rothschild plans to announce her support for McCain on Wednesday in Washington.


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not an issue to true feminists.

You've got to be kidding. I would imagine even non-feminists (however you might want to define feminism) would be offended by such a thing. Making a woman pay for that procedure after being assaulted is the ultimate example of adding insult to injury. You are aware of what a rape exam consists of, are you not?
 
Rape is a crime that should always be prosecuted.

I think if a woman or feminist were raped she would or should have no problem paying for an exam to prove it.

Once the perpertrator is convicted, she could sue him for the costs involved.



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Biden vs Palin:D

Palin 47%, Biden 44% in Make-believe Presidential Match-up

Tuesday, September 16, 2008
Sarah Palin bests Joseph Biden 47% to 44% in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up for the presidency, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey (see crosstabs).
 
I think if a woman or feminist were raped she would or should have no problem paying for an exam to prove it.

You're honestly that partisan that, in your attempts to defend Gov Palin in every possible way, you would say something like that?

Insurance covers Viagra-but women should pay for a rape exam then sue to recover the cost.

Woman or feminist? Is a feminist a third gender?
 
Another PUMA Hillary supporter switches to McCain:

Top Clinton fundraiser backing McCain, not Obama 1 hour, 56 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - John McCain's campaign says the Republican is picking up the support of a top Hillary Clinton fundraiser and member of the Democratic National Committee's Platform Committee.



Lynn Forester de Rothschild has said she thinks Democratic nominee Barack Obama is arrogant and has a problem connecting with average Americans.

Rothschild is a member of the DNC's Democrats Abroad chapter and splits her time living in London and New York. She was one of Clinton's top fundraisers, bringing in more than $100,000 for her presidential campaign. She built a multimillion-dollar telecommunications company before marrying international banker Sir Evelyn de Rothschild.

Rothschild plans to announce her support for McCain on Wednesday in Washington.


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DemConWatch: Lynn Forester de Rothschild is not on the DNC
 
Rape is a crime that should always be prosecuted.

I think if a woman or feminist were raped she would or should have no problem paying for an exam to prove it.

Once the perpertrator is convicted, she could sue him for the costs involved.



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This is truly disgusting. So the poor and homeless women lose rights? What other physical crime does the victim have to pay in order to prove they were a victim? I can't think of one. A new low, and it makes me sad to see it...
 
They made Palin (who is most certainly NOT an intellectual by any stretch) look scarier than she may have come off if they included the full interview (especially the Russia question!!!).



except that i don't think they did. if anything, the editing makes her sound less uninformed than she is.

have you ever edited television before, Harry?
 
I am loathe to make such a thing personal diamond, but I hope to God that you would never place your political and ideological agenda above the psychological and emotional well being of any member of your family-God forbid they ever be in such a situation.

You should really step back and think about those statements. Think about saying such a thing to or around any sexual assault victim, and how hurtful that could be. Being a victim of such a thing is PAYING more than enough.
 
This is truly discusting. So the poor and homeless women lose rights? What other physical crime does the victim have to pay in order to prove they were a victim? I can't think of one. A new low, and it makes me sad to see it...

Did you mean disgusting?

Due process of law isn't fair for the victims sometimes, rape is a heinous crime and I certainly emphathise with your position, but our legal system is what it is.

Last time I checked the conservatives take a harder line on rapists than liberals.

From a legal stand point, by having a person pay for a procedure in an allegation it bodes better in a legal argument, but yes I understand your point-it leaves poor ppl out in the cold-which is sad.

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You're honestly that partisan that, in your attempts to defend Gov Palin in every possible way, you would say something like that?

Insurance covers Viagra-but women should pay for a rape exam then sue to recover the cost.

Woman or feminist? Is a feminist a third gender?

I don't think Health Insurance should cover Viagra, but I bet most ppl in your party (Democratic) would, in contrast to the GOP.

Furthurmore, in using Viagra there is no crime involved.

I will let you try and figure out the logic from there.

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I think to critique Palin for her lack of experience--at least if you're an Obama supporter--is to wield a double edged sword. You have to be prepared to explain why the experience issue is important for Palin but not for Obama.

But so far, we really don't have any Obama supporters willing to do that. If one brings up the fact that Obama almost picked Tim Kaine to be his VP, its just dismissed because well Obama did not pick him, nevermind that he was in the top 3 considered. Would Obama have gone with Biden if Russia had not invaded Georgia in early August and polling afterwards showed a jump for McCain against Obama especially in the area of Foreign Policy?

The idea that Palin is not qualified to be President because of her current experience level in elected office is simply absurd. Would Governor Clinton look any better if he was plucked to be VP in 1988 or 1992? If your really going to be objective about this and take a look at everyone that has actually served as President, Vice President, was nominated to be by either party, or was seriously considered, since 1789, there is no way that you can honestly claim that Sarah Palin is not qualified to be President. Less experienced than many, but still qualifed given the experience levels of some who have served, been nominated or strongly considered for the position. Especially when looking at the number of Governors recently that have been on the winning ticket. Since 1968, every ticket that has won the White House has had a Governor or former Governor on the ticket with the exception of the 1988 election.

Its just crazy to claim that Obama was qualified to be President in February 2007 or even earlier and that Sarah Palin, the Governor of Alaska is not qualified.
 
Did you mean disgusting?

Due process of law isn't fair for the victims sometimes, rape is a heinous crime and I certainly emphathise with your position, but our legal system is what it is.

Last time I checked the conservatives take a harder line on rapists than liberals.

From a legal stand point, by having a person pay for a procedure in an allegation it bodes better in a legal argument, but yes I understand your point-it leaves poor ppl out in the cold-which is sad.

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I always know when you feel backed in a corner, you either post a pic or correct someone's spelling.

Just because due process isn't always fair, isn't excuse to make it harder for the victim.

How does paying for a procedure bode better in a legal argument, that's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. So buying justice is a good thing? Now you are just opening yourself up for corrupt rape allegations.

If in fact Palin did this, she should be ashamed and I hope it gets said all over...
 
I don't think Health Insurance should cover Viagra, but I bet most ppl in your party (Democratic) would, in contrast to the GOP.

:doh: You speak to which you know very little of and you completely missed her point. It has been conservatives defending the fact that Viagra is covered my insurance and birth control isn't. Where have you been?
 
Oh.My.God.

The legal system is what it is?

What other crime do we force the alleged victims to pay for the costs of investigation?? And then they sue for costs? What utter absurdity!!
 
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