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Old 09-16-2008, 11:46 PM   #871
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WHAT THE F#*K!!!

Could someone please confirm for me and others if this story is real???
I have no idea who this guy Mark Levin is but if this is true then ABC News really did a hatchet job on the Palin/Gibson interview. Which would be really weird. What the hell is going on here - maybe the left IS as nuts as the right in America.

The Mark Levin Show � Gibson Interview



erm, reading what they edited out actually makes me think she's even more clueless than i thought -- seems like they cut out the endless repetition of the memorized soundbytes, "keep our eye on russia" and "we cannot repeat a Cold war" and they actually cut out a huge assist he gave her on the Bush Doctrine.

yes, Harry, just what the hell is going on here?

do tell us.
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i'm not saying i agree, but i think some would say that this is a contradiction.

conservatism is where sexism comes from.
I really don't see it, correlation is not causation.
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I really don't see it, correlation is not causation.


feminism has always been concerned with the emancipation of women from their traditional social roles given to them by virtue of their gender.

the key word is traditional.
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I think that the concept of equal rights and universal suffrage are compatible with opposing abortion rights. I really don't see how feminist necessitates support for abortion rights.

And one only needs to google it to find that such a beast supposedly exists, Pro-life feminism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yes, I'm aware of that.

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The most prominent pro-life feminist organization is Feminists for Life.
Which is the anti-abortion group that Palin is a member of.

If I wanted to take the time, I could sit here and come up with a theory as to why women should not get equitable pay in the workplace, how it would be better for families and for society as a whole if they didn't. If I were persuasive enough, I could get at least a few other women to agree with me. Probably conservatives, because realistically, how likely would a liberal be to agree with this? Then we could cloak ourselves in the feminist label, saying how equal pay ultimately makes us slaves to men, and oppresses us, or something, and voila, we'd have ourselves a movement. And you know what? It would be bullshit. Just like Feminists for Life is. The fundamental ingredient of feminism is choice, and that's what they're trying to take away.
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erm, reading what they edited out actually makes me think she's even more clueless than i thought -- seems like they cut out the endless repetition of the memorized soundbytes, "keep our eye on russia" and "we cannot repeat a Cold war" and they actually cut out a huge assist he gave her on the Bush Doctrine.

yes, Harry, just what the hell is going on here?

do tell us.
Before I explain what I see in the interview, let me first state that I am disgusted with both the left and the right media in the U.S. - the only two "civil" folks in the whole circus appear to be Obama and Palin (is it a co-incidence that they are the least "experienced" of the four???) - in fact, if Palin was a little less extreme and more centered she would have made ten times the running mate for Obama than Biden or Hillary. Unfortunately she is far too right for that position. Having said that, it is obvious to me that ABC "edited" out these parts NOT for time but for a bias towards Obama. They made Palin (who is most certainly NOT an intellectual by any stretch) look scarier than she may have come off if they included the full interview (especially the Russia question!!!). And then there's Charlie Gibson, coming off looking like a snooty schoolteacher. This whole election has certainly taught me alot about "politics" and may I predict that sometime in the near future America (for better or worse) will elect a commonman/woman for the highest office. This banter about experience is a bunch of hogwash. Look what "experience" has gotten you into all these years.
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"like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness."


I think to critique Palin for her lack of experience--at least if you're an Obama supporter--is to wield a double edged sword. You have to be prepared to explain why the experience issue is important for Palin but not for Obama. I think the key to such an explanation is in the quote from the article on Palin that was posted here.

The issue, for me, is less experience but judgement. I don't get the sense of brashness and excessive decisiveness from Obama that we got from Bush. It's Bush's governing style--the kind of shoot from the hip, cowboy approach, especially in foreign policy--that was a problem more than his lack of experience. After all, his closest advisors had decades of government experience and they were hardly trying to "reign him in." Bush would make a great "movie president." I could totally see him beating up the bad guys himself if he had to. Palin would make a great movie VP.

But we don't live in the movies. We live in real life.
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Having said that, it is obvious to me that ABC "edited" out these parts NOT for time but for a bias towards Obama. They made Palin (who is most certainly NOT an intellectual by any stretch) look scarier than she may have come off if they included the full interview (especially the Russia question!!!). And then there's Charlie Gibson, coming off looking like a snooty schoolteacher.
First off, I'm not sure if I buy this transcript 100%. According to this transcript some of the sentences were cut midsentence, I watched the interview and didn't notice anywhere where this could have taken place, but who knows.

Secondly, I don't think any of the cut interview really showed anything we didn't see before. The same repeated rhetoric, and who knows without seeing it how it actually came off, did she stumble, hesitate, look nervous?

I see no conspiracy...
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A feminist would also not approve of making women pay for their own rape exams-or sign off on any budget that allowed such a thing
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Another PUMA Hillary supporter switches to McCain:

Top Clinton fundraiser backing McCain, not Obama 1 hour, 56 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - John McCain's campaign says the Republican is picking up the support of a top Hillary Clinton fundraiser and member of the Democratic National Committee's Platform Committee.



Lynn Forester de Rothschild has said she thinks Democratic nominee Barack Obama is arrogant and has a problem connecting with average Americans.

Rothschild is a member of the DNC's Democrats Abroad chapter and splits her time living in London and New York. She was one of Clinton's top fundraisers, bringing in more than $100,000 for her presidential campaign. She built a multimillion-dollar telecommunications company before marrying international banker Sir Evelyn de Rothschild.

Rothschild plans to announce her support for McCain on Wednesday in Washington.


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A feminist would also not approve of making women pay for their own rape exams-or sign off on any budget that allowed such a thing
not an issue to true feminists.

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That is SO not true. Please, don't pretend to speak on behalf of us anymore, okay? Geez.
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not an issue to true feminists.
You've got to be kidding. I would imagine even non-feminists (however you might want to define feminism) would be offended by such a thing. Making a woman pay for that procedure after being assaulted is the ultimate example of adding insult to injury. You are aware of what a rape exam consists of, are you not?
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This doesn't even have anything to do with feminism, this is just pure human decency...

I don't even know what to say, this suprises me even coming from you...
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Rape is a crime that should always be prosecuted.

I think if a woman or feminist were raped she would or should have no problem paying for an exam to prove it.

Once the perpertrator is convicted, she could sue him for the costs involved.



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Biden vs Palin

Palin 47%, Biden 44% in Make-believe Presidential Match-up

Tuesday, September 16, 2008
Sarah Palin bests Joseph Biden 47% to 44% in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up for the presidency, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey (see crosstabs).
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