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Old 09-16-2008, 10:49 AM   #796
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only half right.

they say they will vote for black candidates

and then they vote for white candidates when in the voting booth.
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Old 09-16-2008, 10:50 AM   #797
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I think that is more of a liberal curse than a conservative one.

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Old 09-16-2008, 10:51 AM   #798
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nope...
But he speaks so well.
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I think that is more of a liberal curse than a conservative one.

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because white independents won't vote for black people?

though i guess you're right, diamond. the fact that black people have been elected to office in these here United States means that racism doesn't exist!
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I think many here if Obama had a (R) next to his name and would be labeled a "token" by the angry Left posters here.

No worries though, the Right would have never put up such a weak nominee at the top of their ticket.

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..that many here are resorting to race baiting shows their desperation.

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hey, do you all remember the shrinking part of the Republican Party that uses their brains and their facts and their fancy degrees and that value knowin' stuff instead of thinking with their guts and feelin' good 'cause there's someone like me running for office?

they're kicking Palin under the bus:

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Philosophical debates arise at the oddest times, and in the heat of this election season, one is now rising in Republican ranks. The narrow question is this: Is Sarah Palin qualified to be vice president? Most conservatives say yes, on the grounds that something that feels so good could not possibly be wrong. But a few commentators, like George Will, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum and Ross Douthat demur, suggesting in different ways that she is unready.

The issue starts with an evaluation of Palin, but does not end there. This argument also is over what qualities the country needs in a leader and what are the ultimate sources of wisdom.

There was a time when conservatives did not argue about this. Conservatism was once a frankly elitist movement. Conservatives stood against radical egalitarianism and the destruction of rigorous standards. They stood up for classical education, hard-earned knowledge, experience and prudence. Wisdom was acquired through immersion in the best that has been thought and said.

But, especially in America, there has always been a separate, populist, strain. For those in this school, book knowledge is suspect but practical knowledge is respected. The city is corrupting and the universities are kindergartens for overeducated fools.

The elitists favor sophistication, but the common-sense folk favor simplicity. The elitists favor deliberation, but the populists favor instinct.

This populist tendency produced the term-limits movement based on the belief that time in government destroys character but contact with grass-roots America gives one grounding in real life. And now it has produced Sarah Palin.

Palin is the ultimate small-town renegade rising from the frontier to do battle with the corrupt establishment. Her followers take pride in the way she has aroused fear, hatred and panic in the minds of the liberal elite. The feminists declare that she’s not a real woman because she doesn’t hew to their rigid categories. People who’ve never been in a Wal-Mart think she is parochial because she has never summered in Tuscany.

Look at the condescension and snobbery oozing from elite quarters, her backers say. Look at the endless string of vicious, one-sided attacks in the news media. This is what elites produce. This is why regular people need to take control.

And there’s a serious argument here. In the current Weekly Standard, Steven Hayward argues that the nation’s founders wanted uncertified citizens to hold the highest offices in the land. They did not believe in a separate class of professional executives. They wanted rough and rooted people like Palin.

I would have more sympathy for this view if I hadn’t just lived through the last eight years. For if the Bush administration was anything, it was the anti-establishment attitude put into executive practice.

And the problem with this attitude is that, especially in his first term, it made Bush inept at governance. It turns out that governance, the creation and execution of policy, is hard. It requires acquired skills. Most of all, it requires prudence.

What is prudence? It is the ability to grasp the unique pattern of a specific situation. It is the ability to absorb the vast flow of information and still discern the essential current of events — the things that go together and the things that will never go together. It is the ability to engage in complex deliberations and feel which arguments have the most weight.

How is prudence acquired? Through experience. The prudent leader possesses a repertoire of events, through personal involvement or the study of history, and can apply those models to current circumstances to judge what is important and what is not, who can be persuaded and who can’t, what has worked and what hasn’t.

Experienced leaders can certainly blunder if their minds have rigidified (see: Rumsfeld, Donald), but the records of leaders without long experience and prudence is not good. As George Will pointed out, the founders used the word “experience” 91 times in the Federalist Papers. Democracy is not average people selecting average leaders. It is average people with the wisdom to select the best prepared.

Sarah Palin has many virtues. If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she’d be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness.

The idea that “the people” will take on and destroy “the establishment” is a utopian fantasy that corrupted the left before it corrupted the right. Surely the response to the current crisis of authority is not to throw away standards of experience and prudence, but to select leaders who have those qualities but not the smug condescension that has so marked the reaction to the Palin nomination in the first place.
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..that many here are resorting to race baiting shows their desperation.

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so says someone who suddenly found feminism on August 29th, 2008.
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hey, do you all remember the shrinking part of the Republican Party that uses their brains and their facts and their fancy degrees and that value knowin' stuff instead of thinking with their guts and feelin' good 'cause there's someone like me running for office?

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It's nice to see some Republican honesty for a change.

The fact is, due to McCain's age, his experiences in the military, and his health problems, if elected, this woman stands a very real chance of being president. Knowing all the news - not unfounded rumours, but real, factual news - that has come out about her, it baffles me that anyone on either side of the political spectrum could be comfortable with this choice.
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It's nice to see some Republican honesty for a change.

The fact is, due to McCain's age, his experiences in the military, and his health problems, if elected, this woman stands a very real chance of being president. Knowing all the news - not unfounded rumours, but real, factual news - that has come out about her, it baffles me that anyone on either side of the political spectrum could be comfortable with this choice.
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apparently the right defines feminism differentlly from the left.

from the right's perspective a feminist is a woman who can stand on her own 2 feet, be pro life, call out corruption even in her own party and do something positive about it, and never be afraid to take own the good ol boys network even in her own party.

from what i read here, a feminist has to be pro abortion, not pro life, otherwise she's not a feminist which is very sad and a narrow view of womanhood.

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from what i read here, a feminist has to be pro abortion, not pro life, otherwise she's not a feminist which is very sad and a narrow view of womanhood.

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A feminist doesn't attempt to limit the reproductive choices of other women. Period.
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from what i read here, a feminist has to be pro abortion, not pro life,
I would change that to being pro-choice. As in, a feminist should be against laws that would place control over womens' bodies. (Edit: VP beat me to the punch!)

I know there are a shitload of definitions/opinions of what feminism is, but I have a really hard time saying that someone who wants to decide what happens with my body is a feminist.

Just because a woman has some measure of success and power doesn't automatically make her a feminist. It just makes her successful and/or powerful.
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you girls made my point, thank u.



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