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Old 09-15-2008, 08:35 PM   #766
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Since I asked the question the other week and learned that the respective parties would be responsible for moving forward, I don't honestly think Palin would be the nominee if McCain popped his clogs before the election.
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Can you imagine McCain/Palin winning, something happening to McCain, and her honestly being your President? Can you imagine the reaction to that? All over the world, 4 or 5 times a day, other leaders right now are having a little chuckle to themselves at the thought of that. Talk about a fast track path to absolutely zero respect.

To people in here like Diamond or Sting – to throw a little hypothetical out there, I know it’s a ridiculous suggestion/situation, and I have no idea what ‘rules’ might come into play, but, say McCain were to curl over tomorrow and either die or have to pull out, and somehow Sarah Palin was installed at the top of the ticket, would you vote Palin for President? Honestly?
There's no point in asking fervent do or die Republicans whether or not they would vote for Sarah Palin if McCain died or dropped out. They would rather vote for a legless beetle before voting for Obama.

And no I didn't call Sarah Palin a legless beetle.

Too bad the same question can't be asked of the Democrats because Biden actually wanted to be president instead of having the opportunity thrown upon him.
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The more I read about Sarah Palin, the more she reminds me of some of the small town mayors I've known through working in the newspaper business. Although the great majority of small-town politicians I've known are lovely people doing a difficult job for very little pay, the job also attracts some power-mad individuals who make things miserable for anyone who dares to disagree with them. And they do it all while masquerading as "just plain folks" who are only looking out for the best interests of the citizens.
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Here we go, finally somebody interviewed the former Alaska Public Safety Commissioner (the dude who got fired):

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She's not telling the truth when she told ABC neither she nor her husband pressured me to fire Trooper Wooten," said Walt Monegan, the Alaskan official whose dismissal by Sarah Palin is the focus of a state investigation known as "Troopergate". "And she's not telling the truth to the media about her reasons for firing me."
ABC News: Fired Official: Governor Sarah Palin Did Not Tell the Truth to ABC
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And no I didn't call Sarah Palin a legless beetle.
OMG UR SO SEXIST!!!!!!!!!!
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Lipstick, pigs, beetles, legless things, what else is taboo in this election?

Edit: It would be awesome if someone answered that with "truth"
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Here we go, finally somebody interviewed the former Alaska Public Safety Commissioner (the dude who got fired):



ABC News: Fired Official: Governor Sarah Palin Did Not Tell the Truth to ABC
Nice. Finally, people are starting to talk to mainstream media.

This is taken from that article:

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Monegan said he tried to persuade the first couple to drop the matter. "As a cop for 35 years I'm pretty familiar with issues that come up in divorce cases," and said his argument to both Todd and Sarah was, "if this was so egregious, why didn't you bring it up sooner? Why did you wait until several years later?"

Monegan, who gave sworn testimony behind closed doors for nearly eight hours last week, said he also provided the State's investigator with copies of e-mails he received from the Governor in which she referred in disparaging terms to her former brother-in-law.

"This is not a 'he said she said' situation. Others were contacted by Todd and Sarah as well," according to Monegan, who said he was confident the investigation would find adequate documentation to corroborate his testimony.
By now, everyone has read what the trooper/brother-in-law has allegedly done or threatened to do to Palin's family. I'm not sure if so many of us know that he was also investigated by his department for all of the allegations made against him, and if I can remember correctly, I think he may have been fined for a hunting incident, but everything else was dropped. This isn't so surprising, given that there is a bias within law enforcement, that they need to protect their own. I've seen it - I have extended family in law enforcement, and I used to date one.

However, very recently, I was reading somewhere about the judge's ruling in Palin's sister's custody case (can't remember where, but if I find the link, I'll certainly post it), and the judge apparently warned Palin's sister that the badmouthing she and her family are doing to her former husband is akin to emotional abuse to their children, and that she was to warn the rest of her family to knock it off, or that he would be more than willing to revisit custody arrangements in the future, in a way that would weigh them in favour of her former husband.

Anitram, I'm not sure if you have any experience in family law at all, but does this sound like something a judge would tell a parent in a custody hearing?



ETA: Found it. The source cited is Newsweek.


http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/0...o-troopergate/

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Newsweek Sinks its Teeth into Troopergate.
10 09 2008

Count among the few things that have cheered me recently, this excellent article in Newsweek on the Troopergate scandal. Despite the fact that I have been following every aspect of this sordid tale available in the Anchorage media, there were a couple things I didn’t know.

Court documents show that Judge Suddock was disturbed by the alleged attacks by Palin and her family members on Wooten’s behavior and character. “Disparaging will not be tolerated—it is a form of child abuse,” the judge told a settlement hearing in October 2005, according to typed notes of the proceedings. The judge added: “Relatives cannot disparage either. If occurs [sic] the parent needs to set boundaries for their relatives.”

and later in the article:

As the divorce case dragged on, the judge’s concern about family “disparagement” appeared to deepen. In an order signed Jan. 31, 2006, which granted Palin’s sister and Wooten a final divorce decree, Judge Suddock continued to express concern about attacks by Palin’s family on Wooten. The judge even threatened to curb Palin’s sister’s child custody rights if family criticism of Wooten continued.

In monitoring how a joint-custody arrangement worked out, the judge said in his order that he would pay particular attention to problems noted by a “custody investigator,” specifically “the disparagement of the father [Wooten] by the mother [Molly Hackett, Sarah Palin's sister] and her family members.”

“It is the mother’s [Hackett's] responsibility to set boundaries for her relatives and insure [sic] they respect them, and the disparagement by either parent, or their surrogates is emotional child abuse,” Judge Suddock wrote. He added that: “If the court finds it is necessary due to disparagement in the Mat-Su Valley [the area north of Anchorage where Palin and her extended family live], for the children’s best interests, it [the court] will not hesitate to order custody to the father and a move into Anchorage.”

Judges and custody investigators don’t threaten things like that lightly.


It’s fascinating as stories begin to emerge from the national media. Alaskans are gasping a bit. They’re not used to the national attention, and they’re not used to what it sounds like to get an objective opinion. As an Anchorage resident, I can tell you it’s hard to be objective in a town with only 94,000 households. Everyone knows everyone, or knows someone who knows them.

There were a couple things, though, that the story didn’t say. One has to do with the infamous tasering incident in which Trooper Wooten is accused of ‘tasering his 11-year old son’. When you hear about someone tasering an 11-year old, or even ‘allegedly’ tasering an 11-year old, it’s pretty hard to give them the benefit of the doubt. That’s why I was glad that the head of the Public Safety Employees Association, John Cyr, was interviewed two days ago on KUDO radio, and explained the seemingly unforgivable tasering event.

First, the incident happened when the boy asked to see what it felt like, and prove to his friends that he wasn’t a “Mama’s Boy”. Wooten agreed to do it. According to Cyr, Wooten was a taser instructor, and used a training cartridge on the lightest setting and used alligator clips on the boys shirt, rather than the usual skin contacts. The burst was less than one second. Wooten’s wife was in the room at the time, and the entire family knew of the incident. It became an issue ONLY when divorce papers were filed. Wooten acknowledged bad judgment and was disciplined.

Another accusation that gets mentioned frequently is that Wooten was drinking beer in his squad car. This charge was investigated by an independent investigator who found the charge to be “unsustained”. However, Colonel Julia Grimes, who reviewed the investigation, decided to change the finding of the report to “sustained”. She changed the report on her own and gave no reason. When John Cyr, who, in 30 years, had never seen a member of the command staff change the report asked her why she did it. She replied, “Are you willing to call Sarah Palin a liar?” He said, “yes”. She didn’t respond, and the report stayed changed.

It’s interesting to note that Grimes had received a two page typed email from Palin in 2005, calling Wooten a ‘loose canon’ and a ‘ticking timebomb’, discussing his marital infidelity and a host of accusations which have since been investigated. All allegations were settled in 2006 after a thorough investigation. The investigation resulted in a misdemeanor game violation, and improper use of state equipment. No charges or complaints have ever been filed against Wooten by any member of the public, other than the Palin family and friends, according to Cyr.

Read the email Palin sent to Col. Julia Grimes - HERE.
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Here we go, finally somebody interviewed the former Alaska Public Safety Commissioner (the dude who got fired):



ABC News: Fired Official: Governor Sarah Palin Did Not Tell the Truth to ABC
Shocking.
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Anitram, I'm not sure if you have any experience in family law at all, but does this sound like something a judge would tell a parent in a custody hearing?
Couple of courses I took in the past, that's it.

But it certainly doesn't sound out of the ordinary to me. Judges are particularly sensitive to badmouthing of one parent, and it is definitely a factor that they would consider (among many others) in determining the best interest of that child.
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wow! Sarah Palin is just like me!


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A tanning bed in the Governor's Mansion

Sarah Palin brought one unusual accessory to the Alaska Governor's mansion after moving in last year: A tanning bed.

Al Giordano's NarcoNews first reported that Palin had the apparatus installed in the mansion in Juneau, and a spokesman for the Alaska Department of Transportation and Public Facilities, Roger Wetherell, confirmed the account to Politico.

"She paid for it with her own money," Wetherell said in an email.

It does get awful dark up there in Alaska, but health authorities like the American Cancer Society generally frown on tanning beds as cancer risks.

The McCain-Palin campaign didn't have an immediate comment on the purchase.


as America burned, Palin tanned?

now, let it be said that there is 22 hours of darkness to deal with in Alaska in the winter. you can be sure that if i could afford it, i'd have one of these things if i lived there. not to tan, per se, but to get some semblance of sunlight.

but, really. how kooky must this seem? and they say Barack is "cosmopolitan" or "elitist" or whatever?

why can't we just say that there are a lot of white people who don't want to vote for a black person?
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wow! Sarah Palin is just like me!
In this regard Palin reminds me of what people liked about our current president. I don't think it's any way to pick the leader of our country, frankly. My sense is that if she were president she might approach to the job much way the Bush has.
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ok, let's not jump the gun here.. the election is 2 months away yet...

Not sure I follow you. . .
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Not only that, Sarah didn't ride on her husband's coattails to get where she's at-the mark of a true feminist.

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you forgot to mention Lady Thacther.


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I didn't forget. I just didn't mention her. I suppose I should have though.
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Dynamite drop-in there, Monty.
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