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Old 09-09-2008, 08:11 PM   #586
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I don't think the mayor of Orange is ready to be VP. And Orange is bigger than Wasilla.
Why not???
One of your best Presidents, Abraham Lincoln, had barely any.
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Really, Harry?

Are you now making the argument that any mayor should be good to run for VP?
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In yet another example of Palin's "fiscal conservatism/blasting of government waste," Sarah Palin is charging Alaskan taxpayers a per diem when she stays in her own home. So, when she says "I got rid of the chef in the governor's mansion to save money" what she really means is "I'm still gaining money, but in a less transparent way." Gotta love hypocrisy.

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Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home
Taxpayers Also Funded Family's Travel

By James V. Grimaldi and Karl Vick
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, September 9, 2008; Page A01

ANCHORAGE, Sept. 8 -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a "per diem" allowance intended to cover meals and incidental expenses while traveling on state business.

The governor also has charged the state for travel expenses to take her children on official out-of-town missions. And her husband, Todd, has billed the state for expenses and a daily allowance for trips he makes on official business for his wife.

Palin, who earns $125,000 a year, claimed and received $16,951 as her allowance, which officials say was permitted because her official "duty station" is Juneau, according to an analysis of her travel documents by The Washington Post.

The governor's daughters and husband charged the state $43,490 to travel, and many of the trips were between their house in Wasilla and Juneau, the capital city 600 miles away, the documents show.


Gubernatorial spokeswoman Sharon Leighow said Monday that Palin's expenses are not unusual and that, under state policy, the first family could have claimed per diem expenses for each child taken on official business but has not done so.

Before she became the Republican Party's vice presidential nominee, Palin was little known outside Alaska. Now, with the campaign emphasizing her executive experience, her record as mayor of Wasilla, as a state oil-and-gas commissioner and as governor is receiving intense scrutiny.

During her speech at the Republican National Convention last week, Palin cast herself as a crusader for fiscal rectitude as Alaska's governor. She noted that she sold a state-owned plane used by the former governor. "While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor's office that I didn't believe our citizens should have to pay for," she said to loud applause.

Speaking from Palin's Anchorage office, Leighow said Palin dealt with the plane and also trimmed other expenses, including forgoing a chef in the governor's mansion because she preferred to cook for her family. The first family's travel is an expected part of the job, she said.

"As a matter of protocol, the governor and the first family are expected to attend community events across the state," she said. "It's absolutely reasonable that the first family participates in community events."

The state finance director, Kim Garnero, said Alaska law exempts the governor's office from elaborate travel regulations. Said Leighow: "The governor is entitled to a per diem, and she claims it."

The popular governor collected the per diem allowance from April 22, four days after the birth of her fifth child, until June 3, when she flew to Juneau for two days. Palin moved her family to the capital during the legislative session last year, but prefers to stay in Wasilla and drive 45 miles to Anchorage to a state office building where she conducts most of her business, aides have said.

Palin rarely sought reimbursement for meals while staying in Anchorage or Wasilla, the reports show.

She wrote some form of "Lodging -- own residence" or "Lodging -- Wasilla residence" more than 30 times at the same time she took a per diem, according to the reports. In two dozen undated amendments to the reports, the governor deleted the reference to staying in her home but still charged the per diem.

Palin charged the state a per diem for working on Nov. 22, 2007 -- Thanksgiving Day. The reason given, according to the expense report, was the Great Alaska Shootout, an annual NCAA college basketball tournament held in Anchorage.

In separate filings, the state was billed about $25,000 for Palin's daughters' expenses and $19,000 for her husband's.

Flights topped the list for the most expensive items, and the daughter whose bill was the highest was Piper, 7, whose flights cost nearly $11,000, while Willow, 14, claimed about $6,000 and Bristol, 17, accounted for about $3,400.


One event was in New York City in October 2007, when Bristol accompanied the governor to Newsweek's third annual Women and Leadership Conference, toured the New York Stock Exchange and met local officials and business executives. The state paid for three nights in a $707-a-day hotel room. Garnero said the governor's office has the authority to approve hotel stays above $300.

Asked Monday about the official policy on charging for children's travel expenses, Garnero said: "We cover the expenses of anyone who's conducting state business. I can't imagine kids could be doing that."

But Leighow said many of the hundreds of invitations Palin receives include requests for her to bring her family, placing the definition of "state business" with the party extending the invitation.

One such invitation came in October 2007, when Willow flew to Juneau to join the Palin family on a tour of the Hub Juneau Christian Teen Center, where Palin and her family worship when they are in Juneau. The state gave the center $25,000, according to a May 2008 memo.

Leighow noted that under state policy, all of the governor's children are entitled to per diem expenses, even her infant son. "The first family declined the per diem [for] the children," Leighow said. "The amount that they had declined was $4,461, as of August 5."

The family also charged for flights around the state, including trips to Alaska events such as the start of the Iditarod dog-sled race and the Iron Dog snowmobile race, a contest that Todd Palin won.

Meanwhile, Todd Palin spent $725 to fly to Edmonton, Alberta, for "information gathering and planning meeting with Northern Alberta Institute of Technology," according to an expense report. During the three-day trip, he charged the state $291 for his per diem. A notation said "costs paid by Dept. of Labor." He also billed the state $1,371 for a flight to Washington to attend a National Governors Association meeting with his wife.

Gov. Palin has spent far less on her personal travel than her predecessor: $93,000 on airfare in 2007, compared with $463,000 spent the year before by her predecessor, Frank Murkowski. He traveled often in an executive jet that Palin called an extravagance during her campaign. She sold it after she was sworn into office.

"She flies coach and encourages her cabinet to fly coach as well," said Garnero, whose job is equivalent to state controller. "Some do, some don't."

Leighow said that the governor's staff has tallied the travel expenses charged by Murkowski's wife: $35,675 in 2006, $43,659 in 2005, $13,607 in 2004 and $29,608 in 2003. Associates of Murkowski said the former governor was moose hunting and could not be reached to comment.

In the past, per diem claims by Alaska state officials have carried political risks. In 1988, the head of the state Commerce Department was pilloried for collecting a per diem charge of $50 while staying in his Anchorage home, according to local news accounts. The commissioner, the late Tony Smith, resigned amid a series of controversies.

"It was quite the little scandal," said Tony Knowles, the Democratic governor from 1994 to 2000. "I gave a direction to all my commissioners if they were ever in their house, whether it was Juneau or elsewhere, they were not to get a per diem because, clearly, it is and it looks like a scam -- you pay yourself to live at home," he said.


Knowles, whose children were school-age at the start of his first term, said that his wife sometimes accompanied him to conferences overseas but that he could "count on one hand" the number of times his children accompanied him.

"And the policy was not to reimburse for family travel on commercial airlines, because there is no direct public benefit to schlepping kids around the state," he said. The rules were articulated by Mike Nizich, then director of administrative services in the governor's office, said Knowles and an aide to another former governor, Walter Hickel.


Nizich is now Palin's chief of staff. He did not return a phone call seeking comment. The rules governing family travel on state-owned aircraft appear less clear. Knowles said he operated under the understanding that immediate family could accompany the governor without charge.

But during the Murkowski years, that practice was questioned, and the state attorney general's office produced an opinion saying laws then in effect required reimbursement for spousal travel.
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Do you really want to compare the accomplishments of the Governor and the community organizer?

First, she took on the corrupt leadership in Alaska and won.

Under her leadership, Alaska invested $5 billion in state savings, overhauled education funding, and implemented the Senior Benefits Program that provides support for low-income older Alaskans. She created Alaska’s Petroleum Systems Integrity Office to provide oversight and maintenance of oil and gas equipment, facilities and infrastructure, and the Climate Change Subcabinet to prepare a climate change strategy for Alaska.

AL GORE WOULD BE PROUD, A REPUBLICAN ADDRESSING THE ENVIORNMENT

During her first legislative session, Governor Palin’s administration passed two major pieces of legislation - an overhaul of the state’s ethics laws and a competitive process to construct a gas pipeline.

2 IN HER 1st SESSION. WHAT HAS OBAMA DONE IN 4 YEARS?

Governor Palin is chair of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission, a multi-state government agency that promotes the conservation and efficient recovery of domestic oil and natural gas resources while protecting health, safety and the environment. She was recently named chair of the National Governors Association (NGA) Natural Resources Committee, which is charged with pursuing legislation to ensure state needs are considered as federal policy is formulated in the areas of agriculture, energy, environmental protection and natural resource management. Prior to being named to this position, she served as co-chair of this committee.

Prior to her election as governor, Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council and two terms as the mayor/manager of Wasilla. During her tenure, she reduced property tax levels while increasing services and made Wasilla a business friendly environment, drawing in new industry.

She has served as chair of the Alaska Conservation Commission, which regulates Alaska’s most valuable non-renewable resources: oil and gas. She was elected by her peers to serve as president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors. In this role, she worked with local, state and federal officials to promote solutions to the needs of Alaska’s communities.

I think that is a pretty good record by any standard

By the way...on the Bridge to Nowhere.....you might find it interesting that Governor Palin was praised on the DEMOCRATIC web site in Alaska for her efforts killing the project.
They're called quote tags, if you don't use them people will call you a plagiarizer, too. FYI to everyone else, TheEdge just copied most of this post from here. You can tell which parts are copied and which are original because the official Alaska web site doesn't scream about Al Gore in all caps.

Mostly it's a list of all the committees she founded and is on, which is short on substance. I was most interested in "overhauled education funding" and "implemented the Senior Benefits Program", but those are, again, rather vague terms describing what happened.

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By the way...on the Bridge to Nowhere.....you might find it interesting that Governor Palin was praised on the DEMOCRATIC web site in Alaska for her efforts killing the project.
is entirely useless. In November 2005 Congress, on their own but spurred by national outrage, strikes a compromise killing the earmark requirement for the two bridges in Alaska. In November 2006 Sarah Palin campaigns for Governor supporting the federal money for the bridges. In September 2007, after the Democratic controlled Congress makes it clear they won't shell out ANY money for the bridge and Alaska has to pay all the cost, Palin officially halts the project.

She killed the project once Alaska had to pay for all of it by themselves. Very courageous!
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She killed the project once Alaska had to pay for all of it by themselves. Very courageous!
very interesting..
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I was interested to pursue Palin's lie about the Bridge to Nowhere a little closer:

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Question: There are three major bridge and road projects greenlighted by the Murkowski administration the Knik Arm Bridge, the Gravina Island Bridge, and the Juneau Access Project. Now, odds are that after the whole "Bridge to Nowhere" label by the national press and their cronies, there'll be no more federal money coming. So my question for you is which of these projects do you support, and is this the best use of current federal transportation dollars and future state transportation dollars? We'll begin with Sarah Palin.

Sarah Palin: You know, I support these infrastructure projects, and will build Alaskans, it's cheaper to do today than it is tomorrow. And I support our congressional delegations, they work very hard strong efforts with the delegation strength that they have today in their positions, especially Don Young and his position on transportation making sure that Alaska and her cities with TEALU[*] funds and other funding sources the ability to start making progress on these projects. I won't stand in the way of that progress.
*TEALU was the name of Don Young's 2005 federal transportation bill that first authorized $223 million in federal money for the Gravina Bridge to Nowhere. federal federal federal

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JUNEAU, Alaska — Some called it a bridge to the future. Others called it the bridge to nowhere.

The bridge is going nowhere.

On Friday, the state of Alaska officially abandoned the controversial project in Ketchikan that became a national symbol of federal pork-barrel spending.

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Palin said without federal funding, the state cannot afford a bridge, so the best option would be to upgrade the current ferry system.
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Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it’s clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island,” Governor Palin added.
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I suspended the state fuel tax, and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress.

I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere.

If our state wanted a bridge, we'd build it ourselves.
In October 2006, Palin supported the TEA-LU bill from Don Young that offered federal money to pay for the bridge. In September 2007, Palin said that without federal funding, the state can't afford it. On September 3rd, 2008 she said she had told Congress that only Alaska should pay for the bridge. That's a lie, she was happy to accept federal money.

Of course, the earmark was already stripped out long before she ever became Governor:
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Straining to show new dedication to lower spending, House and Senate negotiators took the rare step of eliminating a requirement that $442 million be spent to build the two bridges, spans that became cemented in the national consciousness as "bridges to nowhere" because of the remote territory and small populations involved.
And the beauty of this all: she'll lie again tomorrow in her next stump speech.
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I was interested to pursue Palin's lie about the Bridge to Nowhere a little closer
Good luck, because when you bring up valid criticisms of Palin with sources and stuff, they get ignored or minimized by the Republicans. I know, I've been doing it for days now. However, they will cry foul that people are spreading rumours that her youngest child was fathered by the milk man, or some such, because those are worthy things to concentrate on. They help to avoid the real issues.
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I was interested to pursue Palin's lie about the Bridge to Nowhere a little closer:
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I might be concerned about staying on the Bridge

you do know where it leads?
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I might be concerned about staying on the Bridge

you do know where it leads?
To Gravina Island?



But seriously
I assume something about earmarks, maybe Obama voted for it?
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Camille Paglia on Sarah Palin's debut, John McCain's rebirth, and Barack Obama's tenuous position | Salon

Here are a few things that stuck out for me but the complete article should be read. I wish Camille was on TV more, I rarely agree with her on issues but she's always interesting, never cliché and I always liked here speaking mannerisms.

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that's the Sarah Palin brand of can-do, no-excuses, moose-hunting feminism -- a world away from the whining, sniping, wearily ironic mode of the establishment feminism represented by Gloria Steinem, a Hillary Clinton supporter whose shameless Democratic partisanship over the past four decades has severely limited American feminism and not allowed it to become the big tent it can and should be. Sarah Palin, if her reputation survives the punishing next two months, may be breaking down those barriers. Feminism, which should be about equal rights and equal opportunity, should not be a closed club requiring an ideological litmus test for membership.
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The witch-trial hysteria of the past two incendiary weeks unfortunately reveals a disturbing trend in the Democratic Party, which has worsened over the past decade. Democrats are quick to attack the religiosity of Republicans, but Democratic ideology itself seems to have become a secular substitute religion. Since when did Democrats become so judgmental and intolerant? Conservatives are demonized, with the universe polarized into a Manichaean battle of us versus them, good versus evil. Democrats are clinging to pat group opinions as if they were inflexible moral absolutes. The party is in peril if it cannot observe and listen and adapt to changing social circumstances.
Any thoughts from our feminists pro or con?
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NEWSWEEK: Sarah Palin, you are a Republican and a conservative one at that. It's unlikely that you and Hillary would agree on too many issues. But, yet, as a woman, chief executive—someone who's been through the grinder—when you look at the coverage and you listen to the conversations, what do you see?

SARAH PALIN: Fair or unfair—and I do think that it's a more concentrated criticism that Hillary gets on so many fronts; I think that's unfortunate. But fair or unfair, I think she does herself a disservice to even mention it, really. You have to plow through that and know what you're getting into. I say this with all due respect to Hillary Clinton and to her experience and to her passion for changing the status quo. But when I hear a statement like that coming from a women candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism or a sharper microscope put on her, I think, man, that doesn't do us any good. Women in politics, women in general wanting to progress this country, I don't think it bodes well for her, a statement like that. Because, again, fair or not fair it is there. I think it's reality and it's a given, people just accept that she's going to be under a sharper microscope. So be it. Work harder, prove to yourself to an even greater degree that you're capable, that you're going to be the best candidate. That's what she wants us to believe at this point. So it bothers me a little bit to hear her bring that attention to herself on that level.
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Prospective first lady Cindy McCain tells ABC News' "Good Morning America" she "absolutely" believes sexism is behind critical coverage of her husband's vice presidential pick, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin -- even though Palin months ago slammed Hillary Clinton's "perceived whine" in making similar complaints during the Democratic primary.

..."I think it's insulting," McCain told Sawyer. "I think it's outlandish. And for whatever reason, the media has decided to treat her differently, because, I believe, because she's a woman."

While McCain believes sexism has fueled much of the criticism against Palin, she didn't disagree with conservative commentator and radio host Rush Limbaugh's assertion of the governor. "We're the ones with a babe on the ticket," Limbaugh said.

"She is. She's lovely. I think she's beautiful," McCain said in response to the comment.
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In a "hear me roar"-style press conference, a parade of elected officials and GOP operatives issued a lengthy defense of the Alaska governor's credentials, and former Massachusetts governor Jane Swift said Palin has been the target of "an outrageous smear campaign...She has taken on the corrupt special interests in Washington and Alaska. She has stood up for families and made a difference," Swift said. "She is more prepared than Barack Obama to be the president of the United States. ... The Republican Party will not stand by while Sarah Palin is subjected to sexist attacks."

...Palin's allies were less pleased with the questions they got from the assembled crowd, though they continued to defend their candidate. When asked whether it was sexist for both Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and McCain campaign manager Rick Davis to suggest Palin would be able to handle foreign policy matters by leaning heavily on McCain's staff, Republican National Committee Victory 2008 chair Carly Fiorina did not answer the question. Instead, she continued to decry the attacks against the governor and questioned why Obama hasn't been questioned more about how he "has relied heavily on his campaign staff for foreign policy advice."
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RNC Victory Chair and Senior McCain Adviser Carly Fiorina: “I am appalled by the Obama campaign’s attempts to belittle Gov. Sarah Palin’s experience. The facts are that Sarah Palin has made more executive decisions as a mayor and governor than Barack Obama has made in his life. Because of Hillary Clinton’s historic run for the presidency and the treatment she received, American women are more highly tuned than ever to recognize and decry sexism in all its forms. They will not tolerate sexist treatment of Governor Palin.”

The McCain campaign also e-mailed reporters a Wall Street Journal op-ed titled "Ignore the Chauvinists. Palin Has Real Experience" earlier this afternoon.
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Sen. Barack Obama said yesterday that Sen. John McCain's claim that he will shake up Washington after agreeing with President Bush for so long is like "putting lipstick on a pig" -- a common colloquialism that Obama has used for years, and one that even some Republicans have been known to say. But to the McCain campaign, it was an example of unbridled sexism clearly aimed at Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

"Senator Obama uttered what I can only describe to be disgusting comments, comparing our vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, to a pig," former Massachusetts governor Jane Swift declared in a conference call with reporters.

Obama uttered the phrase in the midst of ridiculing the Republican nominee's commitment to change. "John McCain says he's about change, too," Obama said in an appearance here, leading into a string of ways he contends McCain represents more of the same -- on economic policy, taxes, education, foreign policy, campaign tactics. "That's not change. That's just calling something that's the same thing something different. You can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig," Obama went on, and the crowd erupted in cheers.

Swift, the newly designated chair of the "Palin Truth Squad," demanded that Obama apologize. She said Obama must have been talking about Palin because she is the only one of the four candidates who wears lipstick, and she called the remark an obvious reference to Palin's joke in her acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention last week that the only difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull is lipstick.
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Biden was asked by a local television reporter in Milwaukee on Monday what Palin, the surprise GOP vice presidential pick who is energizing the party base, means for women. "Well look, I think the issue is what does Sarah Palin think? What does she believe?’ I assume she thinks and agrees with the same policies that George Bush and John McCain think,’ Biden replied. ‘And that's obviously a backward step for women."

This afternoon, the Republican National Committee all but accused Biden of sexism. “One would’ve thought that comments like the one Joe Biden made about Governor Palin today were reserved for the back halls of the old boys club, but apparently flagging poll numbers have brought this brand of offensive attacks to the forefront," Blair Latoff, a RNC spokeswoman, said in a statement.
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Palin, the Alaska governor who was selected more than a week ago to be Senator John McCain's running mate, has yet to make an unscripted public appearance. Instead, she has used her public events to deliver speeches, not to answer questions directly from voters or reporters.

...Palin will start doing interviews "within the next few days," McCain said on CBS's "Face the Nation." A McCain aide said Palin will be interviewed in Alaska by Charles Gibson of ABC News over two days, most likely Thursday and Friday, the Associated Press reported. "She's not scared to answer questions," McCain campaign manager Rick Davis said on Fox News Sunday. "But you know what? We run our campaign, not the news media. And we'll do things on our timetable...So until at which point in time we feel like the news media is going to treat her with some level of respect and deference, I think it would be foolhardy to put her out into that kind of environment."
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More than 40 million people tuned in last week to listen to the speech from Palin, the 44-year-old, first-term governor whom McCain announced as his surprise vice presidential pick just days before. Since then, that basic script is all anyone has heard from her publicly, and her only interaction with the media was a brief conversation with a small group of reporters on her plane Monday — off the record at her handlers' insistence. Associated Press reporters were not on the plane, but an aide told the journalists on board that all Palin flights would be off the record unless the media were told otherwise. At least one reporter objected. Two people on the flight said the Palins greeted the media and they chatted about who had been to Alaska, but little else was said.

By comparison, her Democratic counterpart, Joe Biden, has been campaigning on his own, at times taking questions from audiences. He split off to campaign separately from Barack Obama the day after Obama announced his selection. They reunited at their party's convention and spent the following weekend campaigning together. Biden's appearances have touched on a range of issues — in Florida he talked about U.S. support for Israel, in Pennsylvania it was economics and tax policy. He was interviewed on NBC's "Meet the Press" last Sunday.

...So far, Palin has barely spoken with voters either. Since the convention, she and McCain have breezed through a Wisconsin ice cream shop, a New Mexico restaurant and a Missouri barbecue place, shaking hands with diners but not taking any questions. Photographers and television cameras have been allowed full view while reporters are typically kept too far away to ask questions or hear most of the conversations. Her public remarks essentially have been excerpts of her convention speech, delivered while introducing McCain at rallies.
So is this that "can-do, no-excuses, moose-hunting feminism" that's "a world away from the whining, sniping" variety Paglia speaks of? Is this what Palin's "not doing yourself a disservice by even mentioning it, just accepting that you're going to be under a sharper microscope, and working that much harder to prove to an even greater degree that you're capable" looks like?



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Palin has made the biggest step forward in feminism since Madonna channeled the dominatrix persona of high-glam Marlene Dietrich and rammed pro-sex, pro-beauty feminism down the throats of the prissy, victim-mongering, philistine feminist establishment.
Yep, that's vintage Paglia all right.
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What the GOP knows very well is if you tell people something often enough and in an authoritative enough manner many will actually believe it, even if it is obviously untrue. Not only do they know it, they are masters at doing it...and doing it shamelessly (which is key). The Dems aren't nearly as talented at this. Sadly, I think to win -- at least on a regular basis -- they need to cultivate this ability.
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Yep, that's vintage Paglia all right.



i know, right? i got that undergraduate thrill going up my leg when i read it.
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Feminism, which should be about equal rights and equal opportunity, should not be a closed club requiring an ideological litmus test for membership.
Sadly, that is the case. Feminism only wants women to succeed if they're liberal. End of story. If you're a conservative, you can't be a feminist because you're "a step backwards" or "extreme." You're only allowed to excel and gain high office and balance work and family if you're a liberal and pro-abortion. It's terribly sad.
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Sadly, that is the case. Feminism only wants women to succeed if they're liberal. End of story. If you're a conservative, you can't be a feminist because you're "a step backwards" or "extreme." You're only allowed to excel and gain high office and balance work and family if you're a liberal and pro-abortion. It's terribly sad.


you realize this is bullshit, right? you realize that they're talking about the policies pursued by Palin, right? and that you're using the "gender card" in the same way that the Republicans have sobbed and wailed and thrown tantrums about "the race card" in the past, right?

i mean, you do see the irony here, right?

you do know i'm laughing at this post, right?
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