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Old 07-23-2006, 05:45 PM   #16
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If someone is brain-dead there is no reason for heroics to be staged to keep them going. I consider them basically dead, I don't want to keep a vegetable alive. I supported them pulling the plug on Terri Schiavo even though most of my co-religionists (I am Roman Catholic) did not. If someone is in a ton of pain, they should be treated with pain medicines, I don't think there is a "right to die".
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My thinking on this is...if the person has a terminal illness and is of sound mind.
If a person has a terminal illness, then are they truly capable of having a sound mind as it would undoubtedly effect there rationale?
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So the factors that go into somebody making their decision now bias them and invalidate their choice?

An individual should have ultimate right over their bodies including the right to choose when to die with dignity.
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If a person has a terminal illness, then are they truly capable of having a sound mind as it would undoubtedly effect there rationale?
unless the illness affects the brain then there is no reason to think a person with a terminal illness is not of sound mind.

Should a 90 year old whose body is is filled with cancer that has spread to the lungs and bone be forced to endure surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy if they don't want to? Many in this situation choose to go home with hospice to spend their last days with family and friends. It is ultimately a choice individuals reach within themselves
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If someone is brain-dead there is no reason for heroics to be staged to keep them going. I consider them basically dead, I don't want to keep a vegetable alive. I supported them pulling the plug on Terri Schiavo even though most of my co-religionists (I am Roman Catholic) did not. If someone is in a ton of pain, they should be treated with pain medicines, I don't think there is a "right to die".
They did not pull the plug on Terri Schiavo - they starved her to death for two weeks. She was alive, her eyes were following movement above her head, her heart was beating, she was breathing on her own....and they killed her.

There is no mercy in her murder......

Again, this is my personal opinion.
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She was long dead, it was a body lying in that bed devoid of any concious individual and with only the barest of functions.

The fact that they could only remove treatment is a pity, it would have been more humane to just expedite the process than draw it out like that, there was no pain on anybody but the family.
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unless the illness affects the brain then there is no reason to think a person with a terminal illness is not of sound mind.

Should a 90 year old whose body is is filled with cancer that has spread to the lungs and bone be forced to endure surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy if they don't want to? Many in this situation choose to go home with hospice to spend their last days with family and friends. It is ultimately a choice individuals reach within themselves
I disagree with you. Sure, the brain can be functioning fine if they person has pancreatic cancer, but some toll would be taken on the person's psyche, possibly clouding their judgement - that's what I meant when I made the initial comment. patient has every right to have treatment withheld - I just want to be sure that this is what the patient truly wants.
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So do you believe that an individual should have control over their own mind and body?
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Yes, I believe the patient can contol their medical fate - provided that they can demonstrate a clear thought process to come to their decision. However, while I believe that indivuduals have control over mind and body, I do not believe they should have physicians actively provide the means or expect them to provide the means for their death - i.e. admininstiring a lethal dose of soduim penthanol. In my opinion withholding treatment, including remving feedtubes, are not active means and have no problems with.
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They did not pull the plug on Terri Schiavo - they starved her to death for two weeks. She was alive, her eyes were following movement above her head, her heart was beating, she was breathing on her own....and they killed her.

There is no mercy in her murder......

Again, this is my personal opinion.


she was a vegetable as the autopsy reports clearly demonstrated and vindicated every single person who believed Michael Schiavo and thoroughly embarassed the Schindler's and the Snake Oil Salesmen who put them on TV in the first place. they removed life support as many terminally ill patients choose to do.

it was not murder
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I definitely support euthanasia on a logical basis - people have the right to determine the time and nature of their death if they want to, mercy killing like this treads a much murkier area - I will say that if death is a certainty and the situation is extreme then I don't feel it is morally wrong.


i generally agree with this, however we need to take into account the doctors asked to perform euthanasia. i know many doctors that would support the right of a person to end his or her own life, especially if one is suffering from ALS or some other horrible, dengenerative disease, but they would never euthanize a patient because it is a violation of the Hyppocratic Oath. it's one thing to create conditions for one to die comfortably, it is another thing to take your own life, but it is something else entirely to ask a physician (or for a law to require a physician) to take someone else's life even if it is the most compassionate thing to do in the given situation.
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I guess that I should have made the distinction of voluntary euthanasia conducted with a suicide machine.
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An individual should have ultimate right over their bodies including the right to choose when to die with dignity.
I generally agree with this, but the parameters around those legally allowed to assist someone's death should be very clear.

The Katrina cases differ in that it seems the decisions were made unilaterally by the doctors...while conditions may have been extreme and understandable, technically that's still murder.
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They did not pull the plug on Terri Schiavo - they starved her to death for two weeks. She was alive, her eyes were following movement above her head, her heart was beating, she was breathing on her own....and they killed her.

There is no mercy in her murder......

Again, this is my personal opinion.
She was a corpse. The autopsy report proved this.
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Uhhh, if she were a corpse, there wouldn't be an issue.


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What if someone passed on because their heart stopped
and then people intervene and try and stop the natural death (G-d ending a person's life).

Is the CPR, electric shocking to restart the heart going against G-d?
Scripture is fairly clear that actions to preserve life are appropriate (even on the Sabbath).

Setting safeguards for the consistent, appropriate application of euthanasia is a far more difficult task than the application of the death penalty.
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