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Old 01-30-2004, 12:22 PM   #16
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I think we lose sight of the value of citizenship. For generation, people worked extremely hard, essentially investing everything they had, to obtain US citizenship. I wonder how those people feel when they see the level of appreciate fall so far and that the line between citizen and non-citizen continues to disappear.
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Old 01-30-2004, 12:44 PM   #17
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oops, I meant "NO problem"

same kind of reasoning actually though
though it just sort of makes sense to me to have the nationality of the country where you have decided that you want to live I ended up being the person that I am now because of growing up here in the netherlands
and being in another country with a different passport could not change that

it's just a piece of paper anyway


I want British citizenship and hope to be able to stay here long enough to qualify for it (and afford it!), but I want dual citizenship. If for some reason the requirements changed and I had to renounce my US citizenship, though, I would do it. I just want to keep my US citizenship for the benefit of any kids Sam and I might have and so I can travel to the US with no hassle. It's not that I hate the US and want to cut all ties with it; I just prefer living here, and want the benefits of citizenship after I've met the requirements. Even if I had to give up my US citizenship, I would still say I'm an American because British citizenship wouldn't change my life experiences (or my accent!). It's not really a matter of national pride, but of identity, I think. Losing my US passport and living in Europe for the rest of my life wouldn't change that.

If that makes ANY sense.
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I think we lose sight of the value of citizenship. For generation, people worked extremely hard, essentially investing everything they had, to obtain US citizenship. I wonder how those people feel when they see the level of appreciate fall so far and that the line between citizen and non-citizen continues to disappear.
I think that's an interesting thought, because it's true that many, many people gave up everything for a single chance to get (not just!) US citizenship.

At the same time, we are individuals and you should live your life as you see fit. So in that sense, why does it matter how they feel? Times are different now, we are moving closer to a global community.

I'm an ethnic mix of German, Croat and Italian blood. I have dual citizenship and if I could have triple, I would have taken German citizenship through my mother. My nationality is Canadian and there is no place I'd rather live, for many, many reasons. I think that it depends on the individual how they feel, how deeply they are steeped in a particular culture, etc, to determine how much citizenship means to them. Let no one else dictate it to you.
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I'm desperately trying to stay out, and know people who want to leave, but it's not always possible.
I meant more for situations where people CAN leave, and at every opportunity preach at length on how much they want to, but for some reason, never do. Like my said friend's parents, for example. They're free to leave at any time, and I doubt would have trouble affording it and have plenty of connections elsewhere. Yet they remain here, and I can barely spend a day at their house without hearing some negative comment about this country and how their favorite places in Asia are far better, which they very well may be, I'm not trying to say America IS the best, just that I don't like being insulted because I LOVE this country. That's all.
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