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Old 08-20-2002, 09:53 AM   #16
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http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...2p-11521c.html

The plot thickens and I want to take back some of what I said about the reporter in this case trying to do his public duty by getting these tapes. Turns out he/CNN paid for the tapes.

I particularly like this quote:
"Robertson, who has been reporting from Afghanistan for a year, would not characterize his sources or how the transaction for the tapes was done. But he said none of the money paid went to Al Qaeda."

And exactly how does he know this? How exactly does he know who these people are? How could they get access to these tapes if they weren't al Qaeda? And where did that money go? To feed poor starving children in Afghanistan?

Anyone who receives a five figure payment in Afghanistan instantly becomes a rich man. If this "source" is not part of al Qaeda, the al Qaeda will easily find out who he is, find him and kill him. And if he is part of al Qadea, CNN just bought more materials to use in attacks against Americans.
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Old 08-20-2002, 10:00 AM   #17
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the tapes were definetely newsworthy. images of the dogs struggling...they had to be shown and yes, CNN knew it was going to be stellar for its ratings(they transcend ratings this morning as all media outlets cite them as the source) and they did provide adequate warning of the disturbing content.

BUT i see where you're coming from HJ. i believe your point is much better made in the overall presentation of american military acts by CNN. the 'video-gamification' of military actions is increasingly becoming more popular and CNN is leading the way.
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This may be from the same tapes:

Previously unseen tape shows bin Laden's declaration of war
From Nic Robertson
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ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) --A never-before-seen al Qaeda video obtained by CNN shows Osama bin Laden declaring war against the United States and the West.

The tape of a May 26, 1998, news conference is among 64 obtained in Afghanistan from a source, who said the tapes were found in an Afghan house where bin Laden had stayed. Experts say the collection of tapes sheds new light on al Qaeda's training, capabilities and mindset.

"By God's grace," bin Laden says on the tape, "we have formed with many other Islamic groups and organizations in the Islamic world a front called the International Islamic Front to do jihad against the crusaders and Jews."

"And by God's grace," he says at another point in the tape, "the men ... are going to have a successful result in killing Americans and getting rid of them."

CNN terrorism analyst Peter Bergen, who interviewed bin Laden a year earlier, believes the tape depicts a key moment for al Qaeda.

"They're going public," Bergen said. "They're saying, 'We're having this war against the United States.'"

Accompanying bin Laden on the video are Ayman Al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's right-hand man and inspirational ally, and military adviser Mohammad Atef, who died last November in coalition bombing.

Although a select group of Pakistani journalists and one Chinese writer were invited to witness as al Qaeda launched its jihad on the West, the event never got wide exposure because no independent videotaping was allowed.

Ismail Khan was one of the journalists there that day.

"We were given a few instructions, you know, on how to photograph and only take a picture of Osama and the two leaders who were going to sit close by him. Nobody else," Khan said.

Rohan Gunaratna, an international terrorism expert and author of "Inside Al Qaeda," suggests security was a key reason for keeping the video under wraps.

"Making that tape public would compromise the security of al Qaeda and of Osama bin Laden," he said. "They did not release that tape."

Among those who appear with bin Laden are the two sons of Sheik Abdul Rahman, the spiritual leader of those convicted of blowing up the World Trade Center in 1993. He is now in a U.S. prison for planning other attacks on New York.

Bergen says the significance of the sons' presence at the press conference "can't be underestimated." They distribute what they claim is the will of their father, which calls for attacks on Americans.

"The purported will states, 'Attack them on the sea. Attack them on the land. Attack them everywhere. Attack their economy,'" Bergen said.

The connection to Rahman, Bergen said, is key for bin Laden, who uses the sheik's spiritual guidance as a religious fig leaf from behind which bin Laden broadens his terror groups' appeal to radicals.

With hindsight, the important moments on the video are easy to pick out, including bin Laden hinting at an attack on U.S. targets.

Within 11 weeks of the declaration, al Qaeda attacked U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, in bombings that killed 224 people, including 12 Americans.

And perhaps almost as chilling, because it didn't happen, al-Zawahiri appears to justify an attack on the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, Egypt.
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The media will knowingly filter their news so that it supports American interests. I bet that there is plenty of unflattering footage of American military actions, but because it may be deemed unpatriotic to shed too much light on it, the media will bury it.
You aren't telling the truth.

Look at the thread that posts an article from MSNBC, a U.S. media source, critical about the U.S.'s alleged negligence as to potential atrocities the Northern Alliance and Afghan interim governments.

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but where are the video`s of all those animals that are dieing from testing lipstick or parfum ? Or the video`s of all those poor animals that are in bad housing only for our meat consumption ?

Those Al-Qaeda tapes are only aired to show that Taliban an Al-Qaeda terrorist are monsters and for the sensation of it.
The videos of all of those animals dying from testing lipstick or perfume are shown occasionally on all major outlets of the U.S. media. I have seen it.

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I saw this story on a commercial news bulletin here in Australia the other night and thought it was crap- the story was clearly to me all propaganda and I hated seeing the dog in that situation, but hey I like your work HJ, the US for sure aint got clean hands that is for sure, and really how crap is CNN I always take anything I see on that with a grain of salt, it really is not very good journalisim- but hey this is just my point of view, I am sure that there are millions of people who worship and take it as truth what they see and hear on that station, but I tell you the most funniest part of that story I found was when the journalist doing the voice over said something like this, 'the American government now after seeing these tapes believes that both OBL and the Al Queda network are much more organized than previously thought of'- this statement made me laugh so much, like come on guys you have been laying claim for almost the last year that this is the mob who hi-jacked and flew a heap of planes into buildings in the US, now excuse me but if that is not proof enough that they are pretty organised than I dont know what it is going to take
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Old 08-21-2002, 08:00 AM   #22
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You aren't telling the truth.

Look at the thread that posts an article from MSNBC, a U.S. media source, critical about the U.S.'s alleged negligence as to potential atrocities the Northern Alliance and Afghan interim governments.

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that is true however in general, bama, the u.s. media does a lot more turning of its back than they do reporting on such issues.

a lot of possible hot point issues regarding the actions of the US military are simply skirted by their accompanying media in favor of other available points: economy, abucted girls, or fluffy stories on 'war technology'.
such misdirection does not need to be overt either. an example would be0 the TV-ification of conflict by CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, FOX NEWS and the like-war and other events resemble a TV series rather than journalism.

it is current events entertainment for the american. it could be argued this is what CNN pushes or this is what CNN must deliver.
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