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Old 05-24-2005, 08:03 PM   #1
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Is it possible?

So in the eyes of Catholic religion and fairly conservative Catholics, is there any way I could be redeemed for all the massive screw ups I've made? I've recently begun to renew my faith and am taking baby steps towards becoming a better Catholic and a better person. I've made just about every screw up in the book and most of those are looked down upon. (like living with someone before being married, etc) I realize now how much I've done wrong and if I could I'd do it over again because I really do regret it, but would that even matter to someone who's never done these things and strongly believes that they're wrong? I'm starting to feel like no matter if I renew my faith or not that I'll always be 'damaged goods'.
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So in the eyes of Catholic religion and fairly conservative Catholics, is there any way I could be redeemed for all the massive screw ups I've made? I've recently begun to renew my faith and am taking baby steps towards becoming a better Catholic and a better person. I've made just about every screw up in the book and most of those are looked down upon. (like living with someone before being married, etc) I realize now how much I've done wrong and if I could I'd do it over again because I really do regret it, but would that even matter to someone who's never done these things and strongly believes that they're wrong? I'm starting to feel like no matter if I renew my faith or not that I'll always be 'damaged goods'.
Isn't that what confession is supposed to be for? You confess your sins, honestly repent, do your penance, and bim bam boom... you're good to go!

And anyone who's so judgemental that they would still look down on someone who has changed their life isn't worth giving a flying fuck about anyway.
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Well, I, for one wouldn't think that about you. And I'm sure God doesn't see you for what you've done, but for who you are.

Nobody is 'good enough' to deserve God's love. That's where the idea of Grace comes in....you aren't treated as you ought.
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Look, my thoughts on the matter are simple. I make my own rules with God. I no longer need a Priest to tell me what i should and shouldnt do.

If i fuck up I'll go to God myself and ask for forgiveness. It beats me if he accepts or not but I will never find out if he's listening or not, so i dont let it get to me.
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So in the eyes of Catholic religion and fairly conservative Catholics, is there any way I could be redeemed for all the massive screw ups I've made? I've recently begun to renew my faith and am taking baby steps towards becoming a better Catholic and a better person. I've made just about every screw up in the book and most of those are looked down upon. (like living with someone before being married, etc) I realize now how much I've done wrong and if I could I'd do it over again because I really do regret it, but would that even matter to someone who's never done these things and strongly believes that they're wrong? I'm starting to feel like no matter if I renew my faith or not that I'll always be 'damaged goods'.
You've got the guilt down pat, dear. If you aren't careful, it will eat you though. Someone said in another thread completely unrelated to this, that we set our bar/ideals and we live by that. You've set yours because you feel it is right and you are comfortable with it. So good luck. But Clarity, you do need to be able to live with what you've set. We all make mistakes, but only a good person can realise that. You need to find a way to be comfortable with it. Confess to your priest guy if you need to. Dont let it eat you though.
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Re: Is it possible?

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So in the eyes of Catholic religion and fairly conservative Catholics, is there any way I could be redeemed for all the massive screw ups I've made? I've recently begun to renew my faith and am taking baby steps towards becoming a better Catholic and a better person. I've made just about every screw up in the book and most of those are looked down upon. (like living with someone before being married, etc) I realize now how much I've done wrong and if I could I'd do it over again because I really do regret it, but would that even matter to someone who's never done these things and strongly believes that they're wrong? I'm starting to feel like no matter if I renew my faith or not that I'll always be 'damaged goods'.
I'm not Catholic, but I can tell you that everyone is damaged goods. The truth is that neither you or I or anyone else for that matter, including Billy Graham and The Pope, can ever do "good enough works" to earn our way into Heaven and a relationship with God. God knows this; he knows that if left to our own will power and "good works" we will fail. But here comes the GREAT NEWS:

Salvation is a free gift, offered by God. It is not dependent on your good deeds at all. It is made possible by God's grace and mercy.

Christ died on the cross to pay the price for our sins, because we can never be good enough to pay our own price, no matter how many charities we give to, no matter how many old ladies we walk across the street. In the Bible, it says that the "wages of sin" is death. That means that sin receives the punishment of death. But Christ, sinless and perfect, took that punishment upon himself and paid the price that sin demands for us, even though he himself never sinned. That's because he loves us. On teh day he was crucified, he broke the power of sin over the lives of anyone who follow him, and on Easter Sunday, he rose from the dead, defeating the power of death (spiritual death) over the lives of anyone who would follow him.

You think you've messed up big time? So have I. I was not unredeemable, and neither are you.

Believe that Christ is the Son of God and God in the flesh and that he died and rose again for you. Ask Christ to forgive your sins and come into your life and be your Savior. If you believe that he will do this, he will. His Holy Spirit will move into you and if you trust him and allow him, he will work through you.

Jesus Christ loves you and does not want you to feel unworthy. You are worth everything to him, which is shown by the fact that he willingly died so that you might live.
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I think that is more important to be in peace with yourself, than with the catholic church.
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Peace with God, not the church, is the goal.

God is not limited so that He cannot forgive any sin confessed. Only Satan will suggest otherwise.
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I'm not Catholic, but I can tell you that everyone is damaged goods. The truth is that neither you or I or anyone else for that matter, including Billy Graham and The Pope, can ever do "good enough works" to earn our way into Heaven and a relationship with God. God knows this; he knows that if left to our own will power and "good works" we will fail. But here comes the GREAT NEWS:

Salvation is a free gift, offered by God. It is not dependent on your good deeds at all. It is made possible by God's grace and mercy.

Christ died on the cross to pay the price for our sins, because we can never be good enough to pay our own price, no matter how many charities we give to, no matter how many old ladies we walk across the street. In the Bible, it says that the "wages of sin" is death. That means that sin receives the punishment of death. But Christ, sinless and perfect, took that punishment upon himself and paid the price that sin demands for us, even though he himself never sinned. That's because he loves us. On teh day he was crucified, he broke the power of sin over the lives of anyone who follow him, and on Easter Sunday, he rose from the dead, defeating the power of death (spiritual death) over the lives of anyone who would follow him.

You think you've messed up big time? So have I. I was not unredeemable, and neither are you.

Believe that Christ is the Son of God and God in the flesh and that he died and rose again for you. Ask Christ to forgive your sins and come into your life and be your Savior. If you believe that he will do this, he will. His Holy Spirit will move into you and if you trust him and allow him, he will work through you.

Jesus Christ loves you and does not want you to feel unworthy. You are worth everything to him, which is shown by the fact that he willingly died so that you might live.
I enjoyed reading that, 80s, thanks.
Still new to Faith and I've been pondering the "Jesus died for our sins". I've been given a few good explanations already, but yours certainly helped as well.
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I'm a practicing Catholic. I doubt if you've done anything that a good confession can't fix, and I love confession because it gets rid of my guilt. People here will disagree with my theological views of confession, and that's cool. As I understand your post you want to start getting the sacraments again. I honestly don't see why confession won't fix everything, and don't get uptight about the confession, the priest is never terribly judgmental and the penance is usually pretty painless, you may have to say a prayer or read a book in the Bible. I'm always a bit nervous before I confess myself, but after I've done it I always feel great.
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Peace with God, not the church, is the goal.
God is not limited so that He cannot forgive any sin confessed. Only Satan will suggest otherwise.
Yes indeed. There's no such thing as "damaged goods" in God's eyes.

I find that if you just learn to trust God and to show him what's in your heart and soul, everything else tends to fall into place. He already knows what's in your heart and soul anyway in my opinion, so you start out w/ that advantage.

Don't beat yourself up over what's in the past, that's done and gone. Just do your best in the future
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What you've done in turning your life around matters to God. I think God can see that, and, as nbc and 80s pointed out, God's infinity in all things includes infinite love and infinite forgiveness. You will continue to make mistakes, as will all of us, but God loves you right now--God even loved you when you were living maybe not as well as you are now.

As far as the Church goes, I'm not an expert on all things Catholic, but as far as I knows, their stance is that you come forth and confess your sins, and you'll receive forgiveness. Think of Sr. Helen Prejean, who counseled and offered forgiveness to death row inmates. If they can be forgiven, why not you?
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clarityat3am, the first thing I would tell you is that God doesn't want you to be filled with guilt. That's not in his will for us. Also, the Catholics in here may get mad about this, but I'm saying it anyway: You don't have to go to a priest to be forgiven. There's nothing in the Bible that says this has to happen. You can pray right now, where you're at, and ask God for forgiveness. As long as your heart is true, you'll be forgiven. It's that simple. We all fall short of the glory of God; we all sin. Even priests. (As we've all been made aware of in recent years.) That's why Christ came. Do die in our place for the sins we've committed. He did that for you too. (and for U2 ) You're not damaged goods, you're human. God loves you immensly. That's why Christ died for us —*he wants to make sure we can spend eternity with him. However, he loves us enough to let us make that decision on our own too. It's all about the condition of your heart and your relationship with Christ.

I'm praying for you in your walk with him. I would encourage you to pray and spend time in his word. You'll grow tremdously in your spiritual life. God bless.

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So in the eyes of Catholic religion and fairly conservative Catholics, is there any way I could be redeemed for all the massive screw ups I've made? I've recently begun to renew my faith and am taking baby steps towards becoming a better Catholic and a better person. I've made just about every screw up in the book and most of those are looked down upon. (like living with someone before being married, etc) I realize now how much I've done wrong and if I could I'd do it over again because I really do regret it, but would that even matter to someone who's never done these things and strongly believes that they're wrong? I'm starting to feel like no matter if I renew my faith or not that I'll always be 'damaged goods'.
It's easy in Catholicism. Go to confession. Say your three or so "Hail Mary" prayers. Don't do it again. Simple.

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It's easy in Catholicism. Go to confession. Say your three or so "Hail Mary" prayers. Don't do it again. Simple.

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Sarcasm duly noted, Melon, but let's try to be helpful to clarity here.
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