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Old 09-15-2006, 10:20 AM   #1
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Is it naive...

... to believe that the truth does not belong in the middle?


Here are two very different men who appear to agree on something.


"The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict."

- Martin Luther King, Jr.


"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

- Barry Goldwater
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It's naive to think as humans we'll ever find absolute truth.

Trying to figure out where it is on a scale of left, right, or middle; just leads to blaming, pointing fingers, partisan bullshit, and posturing.
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Old 09-15-2006, 10:46 AM   #3
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It's naive to think as humans we'll ever find absolute truth.

Is the condemnation of rape only partially true? Are there some cases where it is justified? Necessary?

What about racism?
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Is the condemnation of rape only partially true? Are there some cases where it is justified? Necessary?

What about racism?
We all know rape and racism have many grays.
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Is the condemnation of rape only partially true? Are there some cases where it is justified? Necessary?
Are you really asking if rape is justified or necessary? Or the condemnation of it?
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We all know rape ... have many grays.
Not all of us know that. How do you know?
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Re: Is it naive...

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... to believe that the truth does not belong in the middle?


Here are two very different men who appear to agree on something.


"The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict."

- Martin Luther King, Jr.


"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

- Barry Goldwater
Well, sometimes I think "the middle" is really synonymous with apathy, so in that sense, yes I think sometimes the middle is the worst place to be.
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Not all of us know that. How do you know?
I mean rape and racism in the legal sense.

How many times has remorse turned into cries of rape?

How many times has someone in here said something racist, yet there are still many who supported it by saying it wasn't racist.

That's all I'm saying.
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"The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict."

- Martin Luther King, Jr.

Does that mean what I think it means? That's the stupidest thing I've heard today, especially coming from such a prolific activist.
What I've learnt from histories great moral conflicts is that there are always two sides with niether demonstrating moral superiority over the other - hence taking sides to one which should by definition be 'good' is impossible and sitting on the fence (neutral) is the only place to be. (except with Germany, they're always bad )
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Does that mean what I think it means? That's the stupidest thing I've heard today, especially coming from such a prolific activist.
What I've learnt from histories great moral conflicts is that there are always two sides with niether demonstrating moral superiority over the other - hence taking sides to one which should by definition be 'good' is impossible and sitting on the fence (neutral) is the only place to be. (except with Germany, they're always bad )
There are numerous moral conflicts that one side definitely held moral superiority - Nazism, Spanish Inquisition, American Slavery, Khmer Rouge in Combodia, the Arminian genocide...

Sitting on the fence is the same as contributing to the problem.
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Does that mean what I think it means? That's the stupidest thing I've heard today, especially coming from such a prolific activist.
Well, since he's an activist, why would he ever advocate fence-sitting?
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A friend of mine says "the truth is what the opposites have in common." I come back to that again and again.
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A friend of mine says "the truth is what the opposites have in common." I come back to that again and again.
I like that...
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Well, since he's an activist, why would he ever advocate fence-sitting?
even activists should acknowledge a grey area.
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even activists should acknowledge a grey area.
I guess I'm not seeing how being apathetic/neutral/sitting your ass on the fence so you personally have no risk involved and dealing with gray areas are even remotely close to being the same thing....
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