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Old 12-07-2002, 01:56 AM   #76
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I hate America yeah Sting, when have you seen in any of my posts that i say i hate America? I have actually said i like America and like American things. And if you for some reason missed it i will say it again. I like America and some American things.

You saying that from all the people you have meet loved America does nothing for me. If you say you have been to Ireland so many times and know so many people then you would be lying if you are insinuating that everyone not from Dublin are diffeerent. You obviluoslly never worked on a farm in Ireland. Trust me i am a cultchie i know what its like to be in the heart of Ireland. I am not talking about Galway or Dublin or Cork or even Kerry i'm talking about Mayo or Roscommon or West Meath, Meath, these are the places i speak of.

I dont know but opionin polls from one of the highly touted and most respectable polling agents in the world is a little evidence enough for me, along with the media, what i see right here and what i see from people i know. I am absoulutly postive that the rest of the world does not like your country, no not hate, not like.

And if you care to mention the 15-0 UN resoulution over and over and I dimiss it with no importance in the debate you can do it all you want. Big deal they passed a 15-0 resoulution for a chance at peace. What the fuck is your point. Everyone in the world wants peace!!! I ahve never stated that America wants bloodshed. Rather contrary, i think the majority of Americans would rather the bloodshed. But there is powerful people who think that war is right. I'm not saying Bush but there are the people who think war is the best medicene to a rescesion. And it problely is.

What you dont understand is that you have been to Ireland, where they are generally favorable about Americans, you have talked to a French person in Dublin and they say they love America, and you say many friends and family know people who love America. So let me get this straight you have talk to tops a hundred people and they Love America and you figure the rest of the world loves you. Oh yeah have you ever thought that if someone hated Americans theywould choose not to converse with you? I t has to me, thats why you know of more people that like you then hate you. Your so called experience tells me you are a very naive person for taking everyones opinion for face value.

You still have not given me and proff of your claim that America is the most desired place to live other then their own country. I am not saying you are totally false but i will not take your word. Whatever made you think that other countries, like Canada being the most multi-culteral country in the world, would be number 1. And if you have proff give it to me in perspective of country size and allowed immigrants.

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Old 12-07-2002, 02:35 AM   #77
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Wow, your another person I can add to the growing list of those that "like" America. Welcome to the party!

I never said people in Kerry or Cork were the same as people in Dublin, I just said that they like America. The girl I dated from Kerry back in January, her best friend is from Pakistan and she likes America as well.

I never worked on a farm in Ireland, but my sister's boyfriend grew up on a farm in Kerry. My ancestors are from Leitrim! People like America there too. Have you ever been to the Aran Islands? When I was on Inishmore where everyone still speaks Irish, I was treated like a king. The people there were extremely nice to me, even more so than on the mainland. Wow, another thought just popped into my mind, I had farmer in a Galway pub by me 4 pints and sang to me in Irish! We talked all night about America and Politics. I'm being honest when I say I have never had a foreigner tell me that they did not like America.

I will say this, my sister went to see a doctor in Dublin. The Doctor was Egyptian and asked who she thought was worse, Saddam or Bush. Thats about as close as anyone has gotten to not liking America in my sisters experiences. I've not experienced anything like that at all.

Lets see this scientific polling data that proves that more than 50% of the worlds population clearly does not like America!?

Actually war is expensive and only in rare cases does it truely cause economic expansion and better economic health. Most of the time the effects are depressive. The 1991 recession in the United States was partly caused by the Gulf War.

Its not just the fact that I have talked to 1 hundred foreigners or so that like America, but that I have never come across someone who did not like America, not once! Secondly, I have never seen any scientific polling data that would indicate that the majority of the worlds population does not like America.
Oh, I am naive for believing what people have said to me!?!?! I should assume that they were all lying to me?!?! You can't prove that anyone was lying. In this case, your the one that might be a little naive.

That would be some interesting facts to dig up, which country has the most multi-cultural society and the most allowed immigrants. I'll work on getting that hard data. In the mean time you have yet to provide Scientific polling data that proves that over 50% of the worlds population does not like America.

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Old 12-07-2002, 03:01 AM   #78
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What do Irish farmers have to do with Bush again? I've lost this thread
I'm actually wondering if you both (STING2 and bonoman) are still talking about the same thing? I'd also say *most* people dont hate America. I certainly dont think anyone here has a dislike for the country in general anyways. Politics and the face of American politics, GW, for some, but that is not "America". That is not the people, the culture. People you meet in a pub, or by association wont immediately start a verbal attack on why they hate the country you may be from either. On the whole, people are more friendly than that surely. I've no doubt all the people you have met on your travels STING2 genuinely do like America. But if they didn't, how many would start to criticise your country anyway? Its rudeness most people dont display to visitors from overseas when they meet.
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Old 12-07-2002, 03:48 AM   #79
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Its certainly a valid point. Then again, everyone is not necessarily polite all the time, especially when a few pints of the black stuff has been consumed. Several hours of conversation can be productive in learning how people feel about things. Certainly my sisters experience in living and working in Dublin for over a year now is informative.

Bonoman has been informing me how deeply involved in cultural Ireland he has been, the Irish farm, where the real Ireland is I guess, according to Bonoman. What does it have to do with Bush? Bonoman thinks most Irish farmers don't like Bush, I think. I think what he was trying to say is, is that only a real Irish answer can come from the real part of Ireland or something like that, correct me if I'm wrong.
Its basically an attempt to invalidate my experiences and conversations with people in Ireland. People who have expressed affection for and or like America.
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Old 12-07-2002, 08:33 AM   #80
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what the hell do americans know about canada?
A toque is a hat! A chesterfield is a coat! And it IS pronounced "zed"! Not "zee"! "Zed"!

Canada is the world's 2nd largest landmass! The FIRST nation of hockey! And the BEST...PART...OF NORTH...AMERICA!
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In all seriousness, I know a lot about Canada. I know the name and capitals of all the provinces and I can pick them out on a map. I know the names and locations of many, many hockey teams. I know that you have a prime minister, not a president (Jean Chretien). I mean, I'm not an expert on Canada or anything (well, maybe among Americans, I am), but I do know and care about "our most important neighbor to the north" (in the words of Dubya. I can even sing "O Canada" in its entirety--even while drunk, which is usually when I sing it.

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Old 12-07-2002, 07:25 PM   #81
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The ultimate evasion of responsibility is to assume that one is liked by all, or hated by all. This talk of 'everyone liking America', and 'everyone hating America' is nonsensical. There is no such way of quantifying such a concept, there are only established interests of individuals and political leaders, and that is all.

My experience is not the be all and end all, but if I were to talk about my experiences, I would say that most of the people I have come across dislike America in some way or another, usually because of its foreign policy, and I have lived most of my life in the Middle East. Go to those who have established interests in the welfare of America, and go to those who have some form of resentment against America, and you will only get their sides of the story. One doesn't get a more balanced view.

However, it is usually dangerous to proclaim that one is liked by all or most, it is a gross assumption, and one that ends in tragedies being unforseen.

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Old 12-07-2002, 08:04 PM   #82
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I probably relized this two or three day ago that this isnt going anywhere. I am going to bow out.

Thanks for the convo...

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