Is God against religions that practice idol worship? - Page 7 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-27-2005, 07:48 AM   #91
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
80sU2isBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,970
Local Time: 02:22 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is God against religions that practice id

Quote:
Originally posted by U2DMfan


I have the revised standard version, which I believe is much more trustworthy than the King James Version which has been picked apart by many biblical scholars to have numerous translation errors, do a google search if any of you wish to read more about these problems.
I use the New King James Version, which is also considered one of the most accurate. But you're right, the RSV is very well-respected and it does have end quotes after verse 15.

I just checked, and the following versions have no end quotes after verse 15. According to these versions, Jesus spoke the entire discourse in John 3:10-21:

King James,
New King James,
Holman,
New International Version
National American Standard Bible
New Living Translation
The Message
__________________

__________________
80sU2isBest is offline  
Old 04-27-2005, 08:24 AM   #92
Blue Crack Addict
 
nbcrusader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,071
Local Time: 11:22 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by verte
For the record "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for God. You wouldn't expect someone whose first language is Arabic to use the English "God"? The French use dieu, the Germans use Gott, other people use their own language. Even some Arabic Christians refer to the Christian God as "Allah", according to some Arabic Christians on a listserver I'm on. It's a language thing, not necessarily a Christian or Muslim thing.
Verte, it is more than just the Arabic word.

I have often heard the Muslim prayer "There is no God but Allah...."

It is the Muslim concept of God.
__________________

__________________
nbcrusader is offline  
Old 04-27-2005, 08:26 AM   #93
pax
ONE
love, blood, life
 
pax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Ewen's new American home
Posts: 11,412
Local Time: 03:22 PM
But isn't the Muslim concept of God still the same God, so to speak, as the Judeo-Christian God? Being that they have the Abraham story, they believe in Jesus (not as the Messiah, granted, but as a great prophet)...

I'm not being argumentative; I'm truly asking.
__________________
and you hunger for the time
time to heal, desire, time


Join Amnesty.
pax is offline  
Old 04-27-2005, 08:30 AM   #94
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Song of the week "sentimental" by Porcupine Tree
Posts: 3,854
Local Time: 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by pax
But isn't the Muslim concept of God still the same God, so to speak, as the Judeo-Christian God? Being that they have the Abraham story, they believe in Jesus (not as the Messiah, granted, but as a great prophet)...

I think this is a propoganda... To be honest , I dont know this but by the looks of it it looks like a propoganda.
__________________
AcrobatMan is offline  
Old 04-27-2005, 08:44 AM   #95
ONE
love, blood, life
 
financeguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ireland
Posts: 10,122
Local Time: 08:22 PM
As an agnostic, I find the rational objective evidence for the existence of the Christian (or any other) God unconvincing.

One point I would make: overly literal interpretations of the Bible I consider to be inherently dangerous. For example, there is a passage in the Old Testament that says if your son consistently misbehaves, you should take him to the city gates and ask the town elders to stone him to death.

So, who decides what Bible passages are infallible and what should be discarded/ignored or watered down?
__________________
financeguy is offline  
Old 04-27-2005, 09:55 AM   #96
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Macfistowannabe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Ohio
Posts: 4,129
Local Time: 03:22 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by AcrobatMan


Tell me if the below makes any sense

"Is God against religions that believes in celebration of Christmas ?"

Plain joke isnt it ...Do you want to discuss it..
It can make sense. My answer would be no, I don't believe God is against that. And if I had to, I would back that comment up.

Quote:
Originally posted by AcrobatMan
I have found this thread offensive as it is targetting a group of religions which believe in idol worship.

This thread is intended to tell that ...hey this religion is better than that...and whether God favors members of some particular religions as against other religions...
FYM is a place where we are free to discuss ideas, being political, spiritual, etc. If it's offensive, I'm sorry, but those who post such ideas have every right to do so. You can't strip anyone of the belief in one true faith, so why bother.

Quote:
Originally posted by AcrobatMan
And when I tell this ..I am accused of talking non-sense..

Just because I believe that all people - religious and non-religious...are equal...no religion is better than other... You think
this is an invalid comment...

And excuse me..I am not harassing anyone.
I was wondering why you bothered to criticize the thread and the discussion, and call it "a joke." Believe it or not, there are people in this world who take their beliefs seriously, equally as serious as you take your own. All I ask is a little more respect for those who differ from you.
__________________
Macfistowannabe is offline  
Old 04-27-2005, 10:06 AM   #97
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Washington State
Posts: 3,861
Local Time: 07:22 PM
Allah is COMPLETELY different than the God of the Bible, as anyone who knows anything about Muslim faith could see.

The faith of the Muslims is completely different, as you can see from his commandments.
__________________
shart1780 is offline  
Old 04-27-2005, 10:11 AM   #98
Blue Crack Addict
 
nbcrusader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,071
Local Time: 11:22 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by pax
But isn't the Muslim concept of God still the same God, so to speak, as the Judeo-Christian God? Being that they have the Abraham story, they believe in Jesus (not as the Messiah, granted, but as a great prophet)...

I'm not being argumentative; I'm truly asking.
While there are many similarities, there are many differences as well. The differences are significant enough to establish that the two religions are not talking about the same Person.

As you point out, Muslims view Jesus as a prophet - Christians view Jesus as fully God.
__________________
nbcrusader is offline  
Old 04-27-2005, 10:19 AM   #99
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
80sU2isBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,970
Local Time: 02:22 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by shart1780
Allah is COMPLETELY different than the God of the Bible, as anyone who knows anything about Muslim faith could see.

The faith of the Muslims is completely different, as you can see from his commandments.
That's true. Some of the characters in the stories are the same, but even they have differences as far as what they do and who they are. For example, in Islam, Jesus was a prophet, but not the Son Of God. Therefore, even though they have the same name and are based on the same man, they do not paint the same pictue of who Jesus is, so he is eesential not the same Jesus in these two faiths.
__________________
80sU2isBest is offline  
Old 04-27-2005, 10:20 AM   #100
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
80sU2isBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,970
Local Time: 02:22 PM
Hey nb, you and I wrote almost the exact same thing at the exact same time. How strange is that?
__________________
80sU2isBest is offline  
Old 04-27-2005, 10:21 AM   #101
ONE
love, blood, life
 
melon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 11,781
Local Time: 02:22 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by shart1780
Allah is COMPLETELY different than the God of the Bible, as anyone who knows anything about Muslim faith could see.
It's as night-and-day as the petty warrior God of the early Old Testament and the loving God of the New Testament.

Melon
__________________
melon is offline  
Old 04-27-2005, 10:32 AM   #102
Blue Crack Addict
 
nbcrusader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,071
Local Time: 11:22 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 80sU2isBest
Hey nb, you and I wrote almost the exact same thing at the exact same time. How strange is that?
One Holy Spirit
__________________
nbcrusader is offline  
Old 04-27-2005, 10:36 AM   #103
Blue Crack Addict
 
nbcrusader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,071
Local Time: 11:22 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by melon


It's as night-and-day as the petty warrior God of the early Old Testament and the loving God of the New Testament.

Melon
You raise a good point. When reading sacred texts as works of literature, one discovers many similarities, as well as many differences.
__________________
nbcrusader is offline  
Old 04-27-2005, 10:36 AM   #104
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Macfistowannabe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Ohio
Posts: 4,129
Local Time: 03:22 PM
Great minds think alike.
__________________
Macfistowannabe is offline  
Old 04-27-2005, 10:52 AM   #105
Blue Crack Addict
 
starsgoblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Looking for direction to perfection
Posts: 17,828
Local Time: 02:22 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by the soul waits
I have only very recently discovered God and am now reading books about the Bible, eventually leading upto reading the Bible again itself (I've read it over 10 years ago and never quite studied it).

Having said that, I just wanted to comment on the fact that I was agnostic untill only recently (say 1-2 months ago even!) and somehow, God showed Himself to me and I feel blessed.

I respect the knowledge on the Bible a lot of posters here have but at the same time, am kind of distressed with the demeanor some here show to know perfectly well how the Bible is to be interpreted.
I guess I'm seeing a lack of being humble and a lack of respect for the fact that noone will really know untill our days here are over.
I am awed by God's Grace, that's for sure, and it came so unexpected that I am FAR from having any kind of theory of who/when/why will go to Heaven.

I agree. Keep that 'innocent' faith and awe....I think when one starts to feel completley knowledgable of God's ways is when their heart starts to harden in a way. We can only know God in part, through a glass darkly...
__________________

__________________
starsgoblue is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:22 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com