Is God against religions that practice idol worship?

[deep]

The Jews worship YHWH (God The Father), which is an essential member of the trinity. In that aspect, they worship a "part" of the God Christians do. However, their "God picture" does not include Christ, so I'd say no, he is not the same.

I think you blew this one

Jews see Jesus as a teacher or prophet much the same as Islam

Muslims worship the God of Moses and Abraham, too.

 

[Macfistowannabe]

When Christians read the OT, they essentially believe it is also the God of the NT. The OT promises a savior. The NT brought the savior of the Christian faith. Judaism may accept the OT, but not often the NT.

 

[Diemen]

The Bible sas...

Call me close-minded, call me hateful, call me whatever you'd like, but I'm getting my beliefs right out of the Bible...

The Bible says... The Bible says this... and it's clear for anyone with eyes to read. Why can't you accept that the Bible says this?

I also know that everything in the Bible is to be taken as the absolute truth. If the Bible says...

The Bible says...

My problem is that while some argue with logic and reason, you argue with "The Bible says" - which automatically throws logic and reason out the window. Not everyone shares the belief that the Bible is 100% the word of God. It sometimes mystifies me that though the Bible was written by man (with God's inspiration), some people actually find it difficult to believe that the Bible isn't 100% the direct word of God.

Another problem I have with so many Christians is that they seem preoccupied with judging everyone else and telling everyone else what they're doing wrong and why they won't get into heaven doing it. I would hope that the central message of Jesus's teachings - ie - LOVE - would be more apparent in the lives of these Christians and how they deal with others - especially non-Christians. Instead I see a lot who are quick to judge, label and cast out, rather than show compassion, understanding and a desire to welcome them in.

Did Jesus only hang out with those who were already straight-and-narrow believers?

 

[AvsGirl41]

When did anyone in here say that a difference in religious beliefs is a ground to kill?

Did I claim anyone did?

It's like you went through my post with a highlighter and just pounced on something, anything you could disprove.

My point (again) was that making such claims as "They follow a different God than us" which are untrue is the first step to something like...oh, the Crusades.

 

[deep]

You make the Bible sound like an extremist rant

it is not ME.

I choose not to use it that way.

But, if the sandle fits....

 

[Do Miss America]

You make the Bible sound like an extremist rant that is no longer applicable. I'm basing my beliefs off of the teachins of Jesus, nothing else.

No you do base it on more. I've seen you base it on Paul's teachings, OT, etc.

 

[Dreadsox]

If you believe in the trinity...then I can understand how you would feel they are not worshipping the same God as them.


One of my first debates in this forum was with NBC over this three years ago.


I still believe as a Christian they are indeed following God the Father.....

 

[deep]

When Christians read the OT, they essentially believe it is also the God of the NT. The OT promises a savior. The NT brought the savior of the Christian faith. Judaism may accept the OT, but not often the NT.

"but not often the NT."


change that to NEVER.

And what does Islam believe?

 

[Macfistowannabe]

"but not often the NT."


change that to NEVER.

And what does Islam believe?

What about Jews for Jesus? There are also Jews who practice Islam as well.

If I'm not mistaken, Jesus is nothing more than a prophet in Islam.

 

[nbcrusader]

However, it is wrong *and* worrying when Christians begin insisting they follow a different God than we do. That is how holy war is justified. And that is just simply not true. Their interpretation of the *message* (and arguably, the individuals involved) is different, but the origin is the same.

You can believe they are misguided if you want (they believe we are), you can argue we are different, but that essential fact remains. We're all cut from the same religious cloth, it's the way we have chosen to wear it that is different. There are many similarities and I wish those would be looked at, rather than what seperates us.

They may share similar historical roots, but they *are* two separate religions with two separate definitions of God.

Similarities in terminology or historical roots do not validate the statement that the definition of God is the same.

The point is not to create a political or social division, but to realize that theologically they are separate, distinct and incompatible with each other.

 

[Dreadsox]

"but not often the NT."


change that to NEVER.

And what does Islam believe?

Deep there are Jewish groups that believe Christ is the Messiah.

Although, most Jews would not agree.

 

[shart1780]

My problem is that while some argue with logic and reason, you argue with "The Bible says" - which automatically throws logic and reason out the window.

Another problem I have with so many Christians is that they seem preoccupied with judging everyone else and telling everyone else what they're doing wrong and why they won't get into heaven doing it. I would hope that the central message of Jesus's teachings - ie - LOVE - would be more prevalent in the lives of Christians. Instead I see a lot who are quick to judge, label and cast out, rather than show compassion, understanding and a desire to welcome them in.

Did Jesus only hang out with those who were already straight-and-narrow believers?

The Bible isn't always logical. If it was I don't think faith would be so hard to keep!

And you're right that alot of christians spend too much time judging and not enough time on themselves. Over a message board it's pretty hard to tell who's doing this of course. There are alot of christians doing good though.

There's a time for gentle compassion and a time for judging with God's word (and nothing else). Sometimes it's harsh just because of the nature of the scriptures. I would never turn anyone away as a friend just because of their religious beliefs. Will I always think they're God's children? No. Most of my friends aren't even christians.

 

[nbcrusader]

Another problem I have with so many Christians is that they seem preoccupied with judging everyone else and telling everyone else what they're doing wrong and why they won't get into heaven doing it.

Do you see the irony in this statement?


With this logic, if you have an infection, and I tell you to take some antibiotics to get rid of the infection, I'd be judging you.

 

[80sU2isBest]

The Bible isn't always logical. If it was I don't think faith would be so hard to keep!

I think I would clarify this statement as:

"Not always logical, as far as man can judge logic. But God is the creator of logic and his logic goes far beyond what man can comprehend"

 

[nbcrusader]

One of my first debates in this forum was with NBC over this three years ago.


I still believe as a Christian they are indeed following God the Father.....

We do have a good history here....


If it is the same God the Father, why is there such a radical difference in the offer of salvation and the commands that one is to follow? Is God just messing with one group?

 

[AvsGirl41]

They may share similar historical roots, but they *are* two separate religions with two separate definitions of God.

Similarities in terminology or historical roots do not validate the statement that the definition of God is the same.

The point is not to create a political or social division, but to realize that theologically they are separate, distinct and incompatible with each other.

Again, I never said they were the same religon. You don't need to repeatedly stress the point--I made it, too.

All I can suggest is that you read Asma Gull Hasan's "American Muslims: The New Generation" and I think you will see how incorrect such statements about "their God" are.

 

[Do Miss America]

Will I always think they're God's children? No. Most of my friends aren't even christians.

That's just sad. Apparently you learned nothing from the story of the prodical son. You may reject your parents but you are always their children.

 

[shart1780]

That's just sad. Apparently you learned nothing from the story of the prodical son. You may reject your parents but you are always their children.

What are you saying? That if I don't think they're christians I'm unaccepting of them? When I say God's children I mean christians.

I'd never turn my friends away, christian or not.

 

[deep]

Deep there are Jewish groups that believe Christ is the Messiah.

Although, most Jews would not agree.

I dated a "Messianic Jew"

and Jews would not agree is correct.

Messianic Jews do not qualify for Israeli citizenship.

but then again Zell Miller is a Democrat.

 

[Do Miss America]

What are you saying? That if I don't think they're christians I'm unaccepting of them?

I'd never turn my friends away, christian or not.

Um, no why don't you read the comment of yours that I was commenting on. You claim not everyone is God's child and you're completely wrong about that. I think you seem to make up your own views sometime that or someone's feeding you some very bizarre scripture.

 

[deep]

If I'm not mistaken, Jesus is nothing more than a prophet in Islam.

and what is he to the Jewish religion?

 

[Macfistowannabe]

and what is he to the Jewish religion?

A good MAN, and a good moral teacher, as far as I know.

 

[Macfistowannabe]

I dated a "Messianic Jew"

and Jews would not agree is correct.

Messianic Jews do not qualify for Israeli citizenship.

but then again Zell Miller is a Democrat.

Zell

 

[shart1780]

Um, no why don't you read the comment of yours that I was commenting on. You claim not everyone is God's child and you're completely wrong about that. I think you seem to make up your own views sometime that or someone's feeding you some very bizarre scripture.

I stated before that when I say "children of God" I mean christians.

 

[Do Miss America]

I stated before that when I say "children of God" I mean christians.

Yeah you edited it after I responded, but still a very incorrect assessment.

 

[deep]

Originally posted by Macfistowannabe
what is he to the Jewish religion?
A good MAN, and a good moral teacher, as far as I know.


If I'm not mistaken, Jesus is nothing more than a prophet in Islam.

your answers suggest that you are not well informed

or biased.

 

[nbcrusader]

All I can suggest is that you read Asma Gull Hasan's "American Muslims: The New Generation" and I think you will see how incorrect such statements about "their God" are.

I have statements similar to Mr. Hasan's beliefs. I have also studied with American Muslim turned Christian pastor. I'll look for his materials, but they clearly debunk Mr. Hasan's assertions.

 

[80sU2isBest]

your answers suggest that you are not well informed

or biased.

No, he's correct. Jesus is a prophet to the Muslims, not the Son Of God, not God.

 

[deep]

No, he's correct. Jesus is a prophet to the Muslims, not the Son Of God, not God.

and what is he to the Jewish religion?

 

[80sU2isBest]

and what is he to the Jewish religion?

I'm sorry. I see what you're getting at now, and you're correct (if what you're getting at is what I think you're getting at).

According to the Jewish scriptures, any man who is not the Messiah who claims to be God is a blasphemer. Since Judaism does not regard Jesus as the Messiah, Judaism regards him as a blasphemer.