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Old 04-26-2005, 07:28 PM   #31
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Unodostres, if you believe we're wrong why don't you try backing it up with something more concrete than judgmental opinion?

If you believe we're interpreting the Bible wrong why don't you tell us how you interpret it?
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Jesus died for the sins of those willing to repent. If this weren't true than every murderer on earth would go to Heaven regardless of iff he asks for Christ's forgiveness.

Do you believe in any degree of free will? Are you saying everyone born is already marked with a 'will believe' or 'won't believe' stamp on their foreheads? Secondly, God is our judge, not the other way around....we can't say when His exact moment of complete judgement is.
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Christ is pretty radical.
On this I agree....

He was so radical he went up against the expected version of the messiah.

He offered redemption to the gentile and the Jew.

He did miracles on the Sabbath, against the interpretations of the law.


I agree....Radical....nonconformist.....not necessarily what mankind expected.
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How could God extend his grace to King David? He was in a way, a murderer.
Because David asked for God's forgiveness. What I'm saying is you can't go to Heaven openly sinning your entire life without ever asking to be forgiven by God.

Of course all of us are sinners and fall short of God's glory, but Christ died on the cross for us so we could find redemption through him. But the Bible says that God's forgiveness is needed to get into Heaven, which is by repenting and following God's word the best you can.
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Christ said "he who believes in me will not be condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already"
Remind of the verse.
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So he didn't die for the world's sins, just the believers? That's not what I've been told. You weren't always a believer...you made a choice to cross that line so you couldn't have already been condemned if you believe yourself redeemed?
Here is what that means. Read Romans and you will see that these are not my thoughts, but Paul's.

People who are not believers are dead in their sins. Their unforgiven sin keeps them from God; they live in a state of condemnation. When a nonbeliever puts his faith in Christ, he is made alive in Christ, and his sin is forgiven. He has passsed from death unto life, from condemnation unto freedom. I was once condemned - from the first moment I knew right from wrong and committed a sin, I was condemned. I am no longer condemned.

And yes, Christ died for the world's sins. However, it only applies to people who accept the gift. Christ forces it on no one.
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Because David asked for God's forgiveness. What I'm saying is you can't go to Heaven openly sinning your entire life without ever asking to be forgiven by God.
But he'd be on the first floor of Heaven, well below the fundamentalist.
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Do you believe in any degree of free will? Are you saying everyone born is already marked with a 'will believe' or 'won't believe' stamp on their foreheads? Secondly, God is our judge, not the other way around....we can't say when His exact moment of complete judgement is.
I believed we are born with a "Sinner" stamp on our forehead. We'd be doomed if it wasn't for Jesus' sacrifice.

And, as in the scripture I posted, the Bible says the scrptures are a tool for us to judge righteously. Of course I can't judge anyone to Heaven or Hell, I couldn't even if I wanted to. The Bible says you will know people by the fruits they produce.
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Remind of the verse.
John 3:18
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You can repent without being a Christian.
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I believed we are born with a "Sinner" stamp on our forehead. We'd be doomed if it wasn't for Jesus' sacrifice.

And, as in the scripture I posted, the Bible says the scrptures are a tool for us to judge righteously. Of course I can't judge anyone to Heaven or Hell, I couldn't even if I wanted to. The Bible says you will know people by the fruits they produce.
I agree.
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Here is what that means. Read Romans and you will see that these are not my thoughts, but Paul's.

People who are not believers are dead in their sins. Their unforgiven sin keeps them from God; they live in a state of condemnation. When a nonbeliever puts his faith in Christ, he is made alive in Christ, and his sin is forgiven. He has passsed from death unto life, from condemnation unto freedom. I was once condemned - from the first moment I knew right from wrong and committed a sin, I was condemned. I am no longer condemned.

And yes, Christ died for the world's sins. However, it only applies to people who accept the gift. Christ forces it on no one.

I am a Christian. I HAVE read Romans. If I wanted to know Paul's 'thought's I would read Romans...I wanted to know Shart's.
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I really think John smoked a lot of pot......I say this not because I am trying to be offensive......I do not like his style.
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John 3:18
Yeah, um 80's Jesus didn't say that.
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I am a Christian. I HAVE read Romans. If I wanted to know Paul's 'thought's I would read Romans...I wanted to know Shart's.
I said what I think in my last post
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