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Old 07-18-2003, 12:38 PM   #76
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France has long tried to avoid the over-Americanization of the French language. I remember learning this in my high school French class long before 9/11 or the Iraq conflict (this was...hmmm, I guess almost 5 years ago now, at least). So it's nothing new. And it's their language.
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Old 07-18-2003, 02:48 PM   #77
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To anyone in France who wants to continue to use the term "E-mail" GO FOR IT! Don't let some politically correct stiff in Paris tell you what is or is not French. I think Snoop Dog could have some fun with this one.
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Sting, the French language is an integral part of French culture. It's part of their identity. They banned the language of southern France in the Middle Ages, Occitan, in the sixteenth century. One country, one language! In the seventeenth century they set up the French Academy and proceded to kick out all alleged "italianisms" out of their language. This "e-mail" flap is not being "politically correct in France". It's "being in France" or "being French".
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Please. The responses to this article would be a 180 and flaming hot if the US tried to exclude the influence of another culture. But maybe it is our intellectual egoism that pats these other cultures on the head and says "lets keep you the way you are".
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Please. The responses to this article would be a 180 and flaming hot if the US tried to exclude the influence of another culture.
You're comparing apples to oranges here. France has a long history or trying to keep their langauge as "pure" as possible. This e-mail flap is not part of a new phenomenon. By contrast, American English is a hodgepodge of several languages, including an early form of French. If the US were to do something like this it would not be because it has a long history of doing so, and would therefore cause a different reponse.
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Actually, I don't think there is any comparison. What we are talking about is a country with their own language making linguistic decisions over how they are going to refer to new terms and technology in THEIR language. It's not about cultural sensitivity. Who is there to be sensitive to? The inventor of "email"?

We change words into more pronounceable English translations all the time. I was reminded of this constantly while travelling in Europe. We call Wien, Vienna; Firenze, Florence; Koln, Cologne.
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You're comparing apples to oranges here.
That is why I broadened the scope of my response to "cultural influences" and not just language. I am well aware of France's historical desire to protect its language. It goes well beyond that.
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That is why I broadened the scope of my response to "cultural influences" and not just language. I am well aware of France's historical desire to protect its language. It goes well beyond that.
Yes, but that's changing the argument. You can argue the general point, but then it loses all relevance to the point at hand. France is not simply attempting to limit "cultural influences." It is trying to keep its language as pure as possible, something it has a history of doing. Your attempt to generalize the specific incident makes your argument as relevant as one that is hypothetical.
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So are French citizens who continue to use the term "E-mail" somehow less French? Did the French PEOPLE by popular vote decide to not use the term "E-mail". I'm sure there are plenty of French people who are not at all concerned about this and will probably continue to use the term "E-mail".
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I'm sure there are plenty of French people who are not at all concerned about this and will probably continue to use the term "E-mail".
I'm sure you're right.
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You know this whole thing is pretty sad. Some people are going to see this as a slap in the face, some are going to see it as hypocritical. But when it comes down to it, it's nothing. As diverse as we try to pride ourselves on here in America it's nothing. Who cares?

The sad thing is when I traveled to France, Germany, Italy, Czech, etc. three years ago I could always go to a restaurant or bar where they spoke English. Not that that is sad in it's own right, it's sad that it's not reciprocal. These major cities in these countries almost require their employees to speak English as their second language just to cater to us. We don't do this. I've lived in some major attraction cities and I've never had to speak another language for tourists. It's like we expect it of other countries, but we don't give it back. It's arrogance. I applaud them for wanting to keep their langauge pure, and who are we to care.
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The sad thing is when I traveled to France, Germany, Italy, Czech, etc. three years ago I could always go to a restaurant or bar where they spoke English. Not that that is sad in it's own right, it's sad that it's not reciprocal. These major cities in these countries almost require their employees to speak English as their second language just to cater to us. We don't do this. I've lived in some major attraction cities and I've never had to speak another language for tourists. It's like we expect it of other countries, but we don't give it back. It's arrogance. I applaud them for wanting to keep their langauge pure, and who are we to care.
Oh, no, when any people from other countries come here we practically demand they learn English, a lot of people don't even take the time to try and learn at least a little bit of another language for any non-English speaking people who come here. And I think that sucks. I remember I had a friend in middle school who moved here from Mexico, and it was really hard for her at first, and so I decided to learn some Spanish so that I could understand her and her family or any other people that I meet that were from Mexico.

I should try and learn some other languages, too, come to think of it. I know that people who live near Vermont speak French, so I'm gonna need to learn some French when I move there.

But anyway, you make a great point-they learn English so that they can understand us. Why can't people here do the same?

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You know this whole thing is pretty sad. Some people are going to see this as a slap in the face, some are going to see it as hypocritical. But when it comes down to it, it's nothing. As diverse as we try to pride ourselves on here in America it's nothing. Who cares?

The sad thing is when I traveled to France, Germany, Italy, Czech, etc. three years ago I could always go to a restaurant or bar where they spoke English. Not that that is sad in it's own right, it's sad that it's not reciprocal. These major cities in these countries almost require their employees to speak English as their second language just to cater to us. We don't do this. I've lived in some major attraction cities and I've never had to speak another language for tourists. It's like we expect it of other countries, but we don't give it back. It's arrogance. I applaud them for wanting to keep their langauge pure, and who are we to care.
You haven't lived/been in southern California have you? lol.

At most places of business, there are people covering several major languages.

Side note:
In high school, I had taken Latin, yes Latin. Anyway... I worked in a toy store and we often had tourists from Brasil... that spoke Portugese... some how I mangled their Porutgese and my Latin together...and sold them lots of American toys
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