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Old 07-25-2006, 04:17 PM   #31
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Here's another independent source. The Think Tank of Deutsche Bank Group...their numbers forecast into 2007; note the declining national debt trend, which shows gov't revenues from all the growth aren't only going into social programs or infrastructure spending. It's retiring some public debt also; exports/imports on the rise, etc., etc.

http://www.dbresearch.de/servlet/rew...rwkey=u1562196
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Excellent! Venezuela is doing very well. No wonder Chavez is so popular!
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Interesting sets of contradictory information.

I noticed one article stated that Chavez's opponents controlled the media. Last week, a group from the Washington Post reported a troublesome consolidation of control over the media by Chavez.

Undoubtedly, we are dealing with truthiness - spawned by political agendas.
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Most likely Chavez is your typical mixed bag leader. He has some good traits, and some bad ones. He's popular at home, but has some critics that he hasn't dealt with particularly well. He's done much for the poor but some of them are still getting a raw deal. He won his last election with international monitors in place. It's par for the course.
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bush & co. have already tried to oust him once. i don't think he is a threat or schizophrenic.
Yup.
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if anyone is really hard up to invade another country, perhaps consider dprk, and leave democratically elected leaders alone for the time being.
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I say leave democratically elected leaders alone, period.
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I say leave democratically elected leaders alone, period.
Like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong-il, even Saddam Hussein?

What if people vote into power a terrorist organization like Hamas or Hezbollah?
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Like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong-il, even Saddam Hussein?

What if people vote into power a terrorist organization like Hamas or Hezbollah?

Well, i think that's the issue many countries have with American policies: lack of a consistent approach to dealing with geopolitics...such as "dictators" or dodgy governments; i suppose, it's consistent for the U.S., because the main guiding principle is "whatever's in America's best interest."

Is the opposition to Hamas or Hezbollah on "moral" grounds or on "America's interest" grounds. Probably the latter, but it's usually couched or spun within the context of the former...and that's when it's an inconsistent approach, if one looks at America's past interactions with dictatorial regimes.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0429-05.htm

"The lesson is clear, if double-edged. America supports democracy when democracy supports America. But when there is no democracy, dictatorships will do just as well - and at times even better. The sticking point is not whether citizens of all nations have the right to choose their leaders, but whether leaders, freely elected or not, of any nation have the right to choose a course which runs against whatever the US perceives its interests to be at a given moment. "


http://www.omnicenter.org/warpeaceco.../dictators.htm

http://wais.stanford.edu/USA/us_supp...ators8303.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US...dictators.html
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Chavez labels his politics "21st century socialism." He denounces "U.S. capitalism and imperialism." He attacks the Roman Catholic Church in Venezuela. He supports the Kyoto Protocol and is one of the most vocal opponents of the war in Iraq.
No wonder he's the new darling of the American Left.



“No matter what the greatest tyrant in the world, the greatest terrorist in the world, George W. Bush says, we’re here to tell you: Not hundreds, not thousands, but millions of the American people ... support your revolution,” Belafonte told Chavez.
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Chavez labels his politics "21st century socialism." He denounces "U.S. capitalism and imperialism." He attacks the Roman Catholic Church in Venezuela. He supports the Kyoto Protocol and is one of the most vocal opponents of the war in Iraq.
No wonder he's the new darling of the American Left.
America has a Left left?
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Like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong-il, even Saddam Hussein?

What if people vote into power a terrorist organization like Hamas or Hezbollah?
The reason the Palestinians elected Hamas was because the ruling party, which I forget the name of, was hopelessly corrupt. I don't believe the Palestinians were specifically putting terrorists in power. They were rejecting corruption and sailing into a Brave New World, perhaps hoping that reality would moderate Hezbollah's views.
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Thanks for the information. It is important to get a balanced look at any situation.
I agree, but why didn´t you get these sources yourself?

Your statements in this thread sound very contradictionary.
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I say leave democratically elected leaders alone, period.
Hitler was elected
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