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Old 11-16-2003, 04:33 PM   #31
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Dreadsox, your criticism of Vidal is welcomed. I just didn't want anyone to attack his character in lieu of ignorance on the issue. You've done your research and stated a educated perspective on what he said. More power to you!! (Of course, if I took the time to research it further I'd undoubtedly prove you wrong )

As for Diamond, you did exactly what I purported you'd do by drawing some asinine connection between Gore Vidal and Timothy McVeigh. That's deceptive, and now...if I may...I'm going to kick your ass! Woooo-hooo-haaaaaaa! Bend over, cause my foot itchin' for target.

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Old 11-17-2003, 01:07 AM   #33
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As for Diamond, you did exactly what I purported you'd do by drawing some asinine connection between Gore Vidal and Timothy McVeigh.
exactly. you can also draw a connection between the man who killed actress Rebecca Schaeffer and U2 (he said he was inspired by Exit), but that doesn't mean that U2 has anything in common with him.
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Old 11-17-2003, 01:54 AM   #34
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Tim McViegh loved Gore Vidal
Go figure.
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and manson hung out with the beach boys. what is your point?

and yes dano, one could argue that coolidge brought us into the depression. i say could argue because i won't say whether he did or didn't. his term ended in 1929. in the 1930 elections it was pretty much a given that whoever ran against him would win.

i won't say "dubya" is the worst ever, but i will say he's the worst in this generation or two. imo, andrew jackson was a pretty corrupt president, and if memory serves me correct taft was worthless too.
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Old 11-17-2003, 07:01 AM   #35
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Gore Vidal wrote quite a bit about Tim McVeigh.......

That was Mr. Diamond's point....and to his credit he did not make it an issue in this thread. Since those who are REPUBLICAN were so respectfully invited to not express their views on Mr. Vidal.

I find it interesting that so many are SOOOO very quick to jump on Mr. Diamond who did absolutley nothing wrong.

Mr. Vidal is/was sympathetic of Mr. McVeigh.

In my opinion, he walks right up to the line of feeling sympathetic and empathetic for Mr. McVeigh, in my readings to present my case for this article. To be honest, I find it pretty disturbing but Mr. McVeigh felt so comfortable with what Mr. Vidal was writing about him that he wanted him present at his execution. That was indeed the point....

But since Mr. Vidal's character is I guess not allowed to be questioned, and only what he wrote, Diamond, and I made veiled references to the McVeigh situation.

To be fair however, Danospano may be tired of people posting attacks on the character of the author of information that is posted in here, I on the other hand have the opposite problem. There is too much information that is posted in FYM that is not filtered and Mr. Vidal, while a brialliant author whom I can respect as such, should be fair game for his past writings and borderline sympathetic writings for a BABY KILLER like McVeigh.

I mentioned McVeigh too! How come no one got on me?

A serious case could be made that Mr. Gore believes that people like McVeigh are modern day patriots, decendants of our founding fathers, and that the governement is the enemy. But that would be a flame on his character right?

If this is harsh my apologies...I violated my rules....and posted when I should not be posting .....Matt
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Old 11-17-2003, 07:51 AM   #36
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McVeigh is a victim and a product of our society .
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Old 11-17-2003, 07:54 AM   #37
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yeah sure like Jeffery Dahmer.
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Old 11-17-2003, 10:07 AM   #38
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It seems we have gotten off the topic and instead starting debating the merits of the Vidal interview/article. When it comes to awful presidencies, I think Bush is a long ways from being the worst. Ideology too often blinds us. As a Republican, I was not a fan of Clinton, but I do not think he was one of the most dangerous, worst presidents ever. He had his positives and negatives just like all others. Warren G. Harding who was elected in 1920 is generally accepted as the worst president evr running neck and neck with U.S. Grant. Coolidge, who followed Harding after Harding's death in 1923 really did not do too much either. Hoover sometimes gets castigated for "sitting on his hands" when the Depression hit in 1929, but further study shows a man who was willing to use government to combat the Depression. In a lot of ways, Roosevelt and Hoover were alike in economic postitions. The Depression was not caused by Hoover in any way, but of course as it happened on his watch, he took the brunt of the blame. Back to awful Presidents. Carter is also reckoned to be up there. A really really great guy, just someone who was not cut out for politics. So there's my views on this thread.
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Old 11-17-2003, 12:05 PM   #39
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one can never tell the legacy of a president, or any politician for that matter, until years after he has left office. in the era of 24/7 news channels discussing everything from war to the first lady's hair, we all want our answers immediately. history will tell exactly what kind of president bush really is... not mr. vidal.
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Old 11-17-2003, 01:31 PM   #41
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I agree headache. Time is the least subjective of judges. I don't give a damn what all of those talking heads on TV and elsewhere say, no matter where they're coming from. I don't watch them because quite frankly I think they're hype. All style, all image and no substance.
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Old 11-17-2003, 02:22 PM   #42
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Here is a ranking of the Presidents found on C-Span. The results come from historians polled.

http://www.americanpresidents.org/su...ns/overall.asp
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haha... sucks for you buchanan fans
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Old 11-17-2003, 02:39 PM   #44
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Interesting........looks like they are not fond of late nineteenth century Presidents. I am admittedly pretty weak on the Presidents as I've always preferred medieval history to U.S. political and military history until recently when I started looking into the background of the Middle East crisis.
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