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Old 04-20-2003, 09:20 PM   #46
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Well, the voters will speak. That's the only predictable. None of us are betting the rent, are we? I know I'm not.
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You mean someone was mean enough to charge you for a cardboard box?

And I agree with verte - nobody can predict this election. Not least because it's over a year away and who knows what can happen in a year.
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Old 04-20-2003, 09:52 PM   #49
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i like GW's chances
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Just like to say that Current Unemployment in the USA is still lower than Bill Clintons first two years in office (1993-1994). At 5.8% its lower than most European countries and our neighbor to the north. Its lower than the European Union average which is 8-9%. We have about 18 months until election. How the economy does over the next 9 months will probably determine the election, realizing that economic shocks or spurts take a while to trickle through to everyone.
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you're right sting. But remember that Clinton was inheriting a negative economy from Bush. And while we do have a lower unemployment rate than most European countries, people without jobs or without raises don't care about that. They only care about their own pocketbook, not the pocketbook of some German or some Italian.

diamond, please watch actual speeches from Bush, not just the sound bites. The guy has NO sizzle. And unlike Clinton, most Americans can't relate to silver spoon Bush. Just like they couldn't relate to his dad for the same reason.
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Just like to say that Current Unemployment in the USA is still lower than Bill Clintons first two years in office (1993-1994). At 5.8% its lower than most European countries and our neighbor to the north. Its lower than the European Union average which is 8-9%. We have about 18 months until election. How the economy does over the next 9 months will probably determine the election, realizing that economic shocks or spurts take a while to trickle through to everyone.
Misleading statistic. 5.8% is the number of jobless claims, not the actual unemployed. We stopped keeping statistics on the actual unemployed in the 1980s, because the number was too high. By measuring jobless claims, people whose unemployment benefits expire are thus assumed to be "employed," when we do not know if that is the case or not. Simultaneously, it does not measure the quality of jobs. Going from a $60,000 a year job to a $20,000 a year job counts as "employed," but clearly sub-standard. I wouldn't doubt that our unemployment is actually much higher.

But if there was anything Reagan was good at, it was creating misleading statistics that made his reign look better than what it actually was.

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diamond, please watch actual speeches from Bush, not just the sound bites. The guy has NO sizzle. And unlike Clinton, most Americans can't relate to silver spoon Bush. Just like they couldn't relate to his dad for the same reason.



sharky-
GW has sizzle.
GW has extreme sizzle.
Extreme whitehot sizzle.

Family wealth has nothing to do with sizzle.
Either you have it or you dont.

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And i do watch his speeches.
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If you don't stop these absolutely ridiculous Bush photos, I'm going to start bringing out the press-friendly Clinton photos.

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I am now declaring this a picture-free thread. Any posts with pictures of ANYONE or ANYTHING, including but not limited to George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Bono, Baghdad Bob, mayonnaise jars, or puppies, will be moved to PLEBA with no chance of appeal.

The word "sizzle" is also hereby banned from this thread.










(In other words, back to the issues, okay?)

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If you don't stop these absolutely ridiculous Bush photos, I'm going to start bringing out the press-friendly Clinton photos.

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First off who popped Bubba in the mouth?
or is that a Herpes sore?

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Oh no, please don't inflict this thread on the innocent people of PLEBA.
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Oh no, please don't inflict this thread on the innocent people of PLEBA.
Really. As a PLEBAn I can say we'd be pretty horrified if politics got into PLEBA. Damn good pix of Bono..........you asked for it, I'm going to act like a PLEBAn.
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I'd better do a decent FYM post to not get in trouble for that post. I don't know what you mean by "sizzle" but some people do like Bush's sense of humor, which, I'll admit, isn't exactly bad. But that doesn't make the guy particularly charismatic. We might end up with a Democrat who has all the charisma of stale beer. We might end up with a Democratic nominee who does have charisma. I've read where Bush himself thinks he's going to have a tough race. Even if he wins it won't be easy. Just my purple tuppence's worth.
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In all honesty, regardless of whether a person liked Clinton or not, I think most people acknowledge that he was a pretty charismatic politician and he knew how to use that to his advantage. I'm sure Bush has other good qualities, but I doubt even his biggest fans really think he's anywhere near as charismatic as Clinton.
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