Is aid really the solution to Africa's problems? - Page 3 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 06-07-2005, 12:11 PM   #31
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10,881
Local Time: 12:16 PM
[Q]So is aid necessary? I guess we will all draw our own conclusions, but I would submit that for the moment, to stand back and do nothing is not an option. By all means, we must continue to look for the best ways to distribute aid and to ensure equal and fair reception, but I don't think that just writing off Africa and telling it to get its act together before we will help is a moral choice I want to make.[/Q]

Well put!!!
__________________

__________________
Dreadsox is offline  
Old 06-07-2005, 01:18 PM   #32
New Yorker
 
Sherry Darling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,857
Local Time: 01:16 PM
Ok, I really don't have the time I'd like to delve into this but you all know I can't stay away from a thread like this.

The very phrasing of the question, "Does aid entrench corruption" misses the point, to my mind. Only a strong civil society and strong institutions can fight corruption. And, sorry folks, but they take money.

As some on this thread have pointed out, trade is a much better solution (though aid is necessary as well). The Bush admin has wisely (mark your calanders ) recommended that aid be all grants, not further loans that will only further entrench the debt crisis. Their Africa policy fails in many other regards, though, as folks have pointed out here.

Finally, it always amazes me to hear folks argue that we should not cancel the debt because of corruption. That's exactly why we SHOULD cancel the debt. How else will corrupt creditors learn to stop making odious loans?
__________________

__________________
Sherry Darling is offline  
Old 06-07-2005, 01:30 PM   #33
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10,881
Local Time: 12:16 PM
i am puzzled....

Where was it said that because of corruption we should not help?
__________________
Dreadsox is offline  
Old 06-07-2005, 01:47 PM   #34
War Child
 
Nube Gris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Lima Peru
Posts: 759
Local Time: 05:16 PM

Stars go blue you are right, i do Understand you, i do understand what yo mean
Everyone is talking about corruption as an excuse, because existed, and always will, but the help is needed to end this disaster, and the disaster is that people are dying; thats it
__________________
Nube Gris is offline  
Old 06-07-2005, 02:18 PM   #35
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
dandy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: styrofoam peanut commune
Posts: 4,310
Local Time: 02:16 PM
sula, perfectly said.

__________________
dandy is offline  
Old 06-08-2005, 04:20 AM   #36
Refugee
 
BostonAnne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Massachusetts, USA
Posts: 2,052
Local Time: 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by dandy
sula, perfectly said.

__________________
BostonAnne is offline  
Old 06-08-2005, 06:06 AM   #37
New Yorker
 
Sherry Darling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,857
Local Time: 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Dreadsox
i am puzzled....

Where was it said that because of corruption we should not help?
That's what I took from Financeguy's orgininal post. You read it differently?

I also hear it from places like Treasury, some in Congress, the IMF, etc quite a bit.

Hope you're well Dread.
__________________
Sherry Darling is offline  
Old 06-08-2005, 07:29 AM   #38
War Child
 
NYRangers78's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: THE BRONX NEW YORK GOD BLESS AMERICA
Posts: 540
Local Time: 12:16 PM
just out of curuiosity, why doenst bono or u2 pay taxes in ireland?
__________________
NYRangers78 is offline  
Old 06-08-2005, 07:45 AM   #39
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10,881
Local Time: 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Sherry Darling


That's what I took from Financeguy's orgininal post. You read it differently?

I also hear it from places like Treasury, some in Congress, the IMF, etc quite a bit.

Hope you're well Dread.
I must have missed it....sorry....LOL

Well, I am just peachy!!!!!
__________________
Dreadsox is offline  
Old 06-08-2005, 09:08 AM   #40
Refugee
 
Sweet Tart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Halifax
Posts: 2,064
Local Time: 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by trevster2k
Many people have advocated for Iraq's debt to forgiven and Iraq is in far better shape than many of the countries in Africa. It is a complex problem with a complex solution requring contributions from governments, NGOs, citizens and private business. Will foreign aid be the solution? No, but it helps along with debt forgiveness and other instruments of assistance to lead to an eventual solution. We cannot have an entire continent living decades behind the rest of the world and allow millions to die over the next decades because of politics. Although I fear that nothing will come of it because humanity has yet to embrace itself as one entity, we still see in colours.
and to sula as well.


i'm not totally up to date with all the world news and world politics concerning this issue but i do believe that aid should be increased and debt decreased to these countries. just because a government is deemed corrupt does that allow us to turn a blind eye to millions of people living and dying in poverty??? i sure hope not.
__________________
Sweet Tart is offline  
Old 06-08-2005, 10:00 AM   #41
Refugee
 
BostonAnne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Massachusetts, USA
Posts: 2,052
Local Time: 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by NYRangers78
just out of curuiosity, why doenst bono or u2 pay taxes in ireland?
I think it's because artists don't have to pay taxes.

I'm sure U2 bring enough tourism to Ireland to make up for their exempt status.
__________________
BostonAnne is offline  
Old 06-08-2005, 10:04 AM   #42
ONE
love, blood, life
 
melon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 11,781
Local Time: 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by BostonAnne
I think it's because artists don't have to pay taxes.
Indeed. All artists are exempt from taxation in Ireland, because, generally speaking, it isn't very profitable, at least not in the short term. "Starving artist" comes to mind, and I think Ireland made them exempt from taxation to promote artistry, in spite of it being a generally unprofitable profession.

Melon
__________________
melon is offline  
Old 06-08-2005, 10:05 AM   #43
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
LyricalDrug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: SF Bay Area, California, USA
Posts: 3,212
Local Time: 10:16 AM
Re: Is aid really the solution to Africa's problems?

Quote:
Originally posted by financeguy


Charity begins at home, I believe. U2 don't even pay taxes in their own country. I pay more income tax than Bono and I don't earn a lot.


Thoughts?
So, you're saying you're in favor of repealing Ireland's tax breaks for artists? If so, please state so. Just want to make sure I'm reading you right.
__________________
LyricalDrug is offline  
Old 06-08-2005, 10:25 AM   #44
War Child
 
MumblingBono's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The State Good Bands Skip Over
Posts: 566
Local Time: 05:16 PM
I recently read "Dark Star Safari" by Paul Theroux. The book sort of provides an alternative, contrarian perspective on aid to Africa, though that's not what the book is about. Here is what I came away with:

1. Africa is well-stocked with goodhearted people like Bono, (many Irish) who are actually trying to improve the situation.

2. Aid doesn't work. Aid agencies are despised.

3. Corruption is culturally embedded in African nations. The African rich have perfected the art of screwing the African poor.

4. Many nations would be better off under their colonial governments pre-1960 and in fact, were.

5. Education and free trade are the only hope.

I highly recommend the book.
__________________
MumblingBono is offline  
Old 06-08-2005, 10:50 AM   #45
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
trevster2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 4,330
Local Time: 01:46 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by MumblingBono


Corruption is culturally embedded in African nations. The African rich have perfected the art of screwing the African poor.

I don't think African nations have a monopoly on this. Greed and corruption is a universal trait amongst all cultures to varying degrees.
__________________

__________________
trevster2k is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:16 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com