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Old 02-23-2006, 02:25 PM   #1
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Iraq's low-level civil war kicks it up a notch

no one has brought this up yet, so with the risk of it getting banished to the "War" realm (since FYM is *so* overflooded with Iraq threads), i'll try posting in here:



[q]Sunni party quits Iraq government talks after mosque bombing
More than 100 dead in revenge attacks; 7 U.S. soldiers killed


Thursday, February 23, 2006; Posted: 12:23 p.m. EST (17:23 GMT)

Armed followers of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr rally Thursday in the Sadr City district of Baghdad.

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraq's most powerful Sunni Muslim party quit talks to form a new government Thursday after reprisal attacks for the bombing of an important Shiite mosque.

Amid reports of more than 100 killings nationwide -- many of them Sunni Muslims -- the Sunni Accord Front announced it is leaving political unity talks after meeting with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani and Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari.

The Accord Front received 44 seats in December's election for the 275-member Iraqi parliament and has been working with Kurds, Shiites and other Sunnis to cobble together a government.

Including Sunnis in the government is seen as key to establishing law and order and defeating Iraq's insurgency, whose supporters are largely Sunni. Shiites were largely persecuted by ruling minority Sunnis during the reign of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

The killings followed widespread Shiite protests after Wednesday's bombing of the Al-Askariya Shiite mosque -- also known as the Golden Mosque -- in Samarra.

Southeast of Baghdad, both Sunnis and Shiites joined to protest the bombing and reprisal attacks Thursday in the town of Kut, police said. Thousands of demonstrators marched through the streets saying that they are "all Iraqis."

Meanwhile, seven U.S. soldiers were killed in two roadside bombings north of Baghdad Wednesday, the U.S. military said.

Four soldiers from 1st Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division, were killed near Hawija.

Three Task Force Band of Brothers Soldiers from the 3rd Heavy Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, were killed near Balad.

Their deaths brought the number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq war to 2,285, according to military reports.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html

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the devolution of Iraq into a Civil War along sectarian lines seems to have been ignited by this mosque bombing.

what happens next?
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We need Lee and Grant there. Oops there Dead! Dammit. The muslim society will never learn and be looked upon as savages. That is just my opinion. Shiites Killing Sunnies, Vice Versa. Umm Dont they both believe in Allah. All must be like you what fuck them stop saying God is Great all the time. Kill each other cause when you see me I am dont want you in my kingdom.
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Ooh, this is nasty. The Sunnis blew off that whole golden dome and now all hell is going to break loose. Some people can't get destructiveness off of their minds.
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They should all listen to John Lennon's Song "Give Peace a Chance."
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They need to do something better than shenanigans like this.
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If they both believe in Allah, why dont they just come together as a country or learn from the Kurdish in the north who are doing far better than them.
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The old solution for the sectarian in-fighting was a totalitarian regime (which does keep internal squabbles to a minimum).

As the Iraqi government gets established, it is time to transition the peace keeping function to the UN?

Is there a Muslim led group that can mediate a peaceful resolution?

The danger to avoid is the unification of the two groups around a common enemy.
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As the Iraqi government gets established, it is time to transition the peace keeping function to the UN?


i'm thinking, currently, that this might be the only solution at present if things don't get significantly better soon.
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Well, that's the whole problem: finding an "Iraqi government"...many would just say there's no such thing as a one Iraq. You have at least three Iraq's and the solution may be one of non-unification.
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there will be no secular Iraqi government

why is this any different than Yugoslavia?

Tito's iron fist kept it together

and then it blew apart


this dome blow off
is only one incident in a long line
the Shiites have been rounding up and killing Sunnis for months now

the civil war has been ongoing
to call this a starting point is just ignorance of the facts
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If they both believe in Allah, why dont they just come together as a country or learn from the Kurdish in the north who are doing far better than them.
Yes, the Shia and Sunni Muslims follow the same basic religion, but there are major historical/spiritual/political differences, going back hundreds of years. Not as easy as just "coming together as a country"...it's not an accurate parallel, but think about the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland.

This link has a good answer to the question on the Shia/Sunni difference:

http://islam.about.com/cs/divisions/f/shia_sunni.htm

"A. Both Sunni and Shia Muslims share the most fundamental Islamic beliefs and articles of faith. The differences between these two main sub-groups within Islam initially stemmed not from spiritual differences, but political ones. Over the centuries, however, these political differences have spawned a number of varying practices and positions which have come to carry a spiritual significance."
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I thought mission was accomplished?

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there will be no secular Iraqi government

why is this any different than Yugoslavia?

Tito's iron fist kept it together

and then it blew apart
Indeed. I cannot imagine that Iraq will be any different in the long run. The Kurds and the Shi'ites would probably be happy to have their own countries. The Sunnis only object, because they don't have oil.

Of course, Turkey doesn't want the Kurds to have their own country either, and America can only save face by forcing three traditional enemies to get along.

Much of the Middle East is a war waiting to happen.

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hmm are we now reaping the rewards of superfluous national borders that remain from our glorious history of colonization? and i thought africa was a good time...this could be even better!!!
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If they both believe in Allah, why dont they just come together as a country or learn from the Kurdish in the north who are doing far better than them.
The Sunnis and Shi'ites hate each other, and, in particular, the Sunnis have a long history of hatred towards the Shi'ites, who are regarded as "heretics."

While Islam does have a past history of tolerance towards Judaism and Christianity (which are regarded as obsolete precursors to Islam), any other religion--particularly religions that have come after Islam--are treated with nothing but intolerance. The latter is how the Shi'ites are treated traditionally by the Sunnis.

Of course, this does not even take into account hatred between different Muslim nations, which is generally why the Palestinians were left in limbo for decades. But now that the Middle East has a common enemy--the U.S. and Israel--there is political convenience in helping the Palestinians financially when your common enemy cuts off the funding suddenly.

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