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Old 01-25-2005, 03:40 PM   #1
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Iraqi resistance

just found that one... *no comment*

http://www.albasrah.net/maqalat/engl...IPA_031204.htm
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The Iraqi resistance is confronting the illegitimate and brutal Zionist Imperialist occupation of Iraq.
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Yeah I was suprised too.. the useage of words like Zionist. What is a Zionist anyway - a jew? Must admit I have no clue.

Did you notice the hotmail email address? I wondered about that one. However, I guess there ´s many different sides to the story, and this is one of them. They say they are for free elections in a democratic environment. I also wondered about that. I thought the resistance was made up of Saddam loyalists.

On the same site there are pictures of a U.S. tank being destroyed by resistance, Iraqi flags, etc.
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2 entries found for zionist.
Zi·on·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (z-nzm)
n.
A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.

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Zion·ist adj. & n.
Zion·istic adj.

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zionist

adj 1: relating to or characteristic of Zionism; "the Zionist movement" [syn: Zionist] 2: relating to or characteristic of a supporter of Zionism; "the Zionist leader Theodor Herzl" [syn: Zionist] n : a Jewish supporter of Zionism [syn: Zionist]


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Zi·on ( P ) Pronunciation Key (zn) also Si·on (sn)
n.

The historic land of Israel as a symbol of the Jewish people.
The Jewish people; Israel.
A place or religious community regarded as sacredly devoted to God.
An idealized, harmonious community; utopia.


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[Middle English Sion, from Old English, from Late Latin Sin, from Greek Sein, from Hebrew iyyôn. See wy2 in Semitic Roots.]

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Si·on ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sn)
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Variant of Zion.

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Zion

n 1: originally a stronghold captured by David (the 2nd king of the Israelites); above it was built a temple and later the name extended to the whole hill; finally it became a synonym for the city of Jerusalem; "the inhabitants of Jerusalem are personified as `the daughter of Zion'" [syn: Zion, Sion] 2: Jewish republic in southwestern Asia at eastern end of Mediterranean; formerly part of Palestine [syn: Israel, State of Israel, Yisrael, Zion, Sion] 3: an imaginary place considered to be perfect or ideal [syn: Utopia, Zion, Sion]


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Zion, AR
Zip code(s): 72556
Zion, IL (city, FIPS 84220)
Location: 42.45665 N, 87.84307 W
Population (1990): 19775 (6845 housing units)
Area: 19.7 sq km (land), 0.0 sq km (water)
Zip code(s): 60099
Zion, PA (CDP, FIPS 87320)
Location: 40.92141 N, 77.66788 W
Population (1990): 1573 (544 housing units)
Area: 33.9 sq km (land), 0.0 sq km (water)



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Zion

sunny; height, one of the eminences on which Jerusalem was built. It was
surrounded on all sides, except the north, by deep valleys, that of the
Tyropoeon (q.v.) separating it from Moriah (q.v.), which it surpasses in height
by 105 feet. It was the south-eastern hill of Jerusalem. When David took it from
the Jebusites (Josh. 15:63; 2 Sam. 5:7) he built on it a citadel and a palace,
and it became "the city of David" (1 Kings 8:1; 2 Kings 19:21, 31; 1 Chr.
11:5). In the later books of the Old Testament this name was sometimes used
(Ps. 87:2; 149:2; Isa. 33:14; Joel 2:1) to denote Jerusalem in general, and
sometimes God's chosen Israel (Ps. 51:18; 87:5). In the New Testament (see SION
¯T0003448) it is used sometimes to denote the Church of God (Heb. 12:22), and
sometimes the heavenly city (Rev. 14:1).


Source: Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary


Zion

Zion, monument; raised up; sepulcher


Source: Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary
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Thanks for the definitions. So, according to the first definition, a Zionist is not a Jew, but a member of a particular Jewish movement.
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I would also assume that particular definition is what "the brutal Zionist Imperialist occupation of Iraq" refers to.
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You have to get into the world that they are talking about. Zionist means the Jews that run the world in the interests of Israel and their own bank balances. They are the shady Jewish conspirators that make sure that Muslims never suceed and they are the cause of every problem in the world. When they say zionist they mean more like the "protocol for the elders of zion" conspiratorial anti-semitism. This has nothing to do with the zionist movement that desired a Jewish homeland and bought land off absent Arab landlords in the sparself populated Palestine region in the 19th Century.

That entire site is a neat propaganda operation, I know that a lot of people would love to see an Iraqi resistance dedicated to fighting Americans in the name of national liberation and democracy a very personable movement like many a communist insurgency of yesteryear but that just doesn't exist. It is a coalition of violent men; fascists of both the Baathist and Islamist variety killing many Iraqi patriots and innocent men, women and children in order to ruin their chance at freedom in the vain hope of seizing power through chaos. Polling of Iraqi's across the country by various organisations has shown a consistent dislike of terrorists and approval of counter-terrorism operations by their government (80% in a recent poll in Baghdad).
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Love to see that poll, A-Wanderer. Very interesting indeed....

Yeah, when I saw the word Zionist, the Protocals of Zion were the first thing I thought of. I recall they stated that the Jews had secretly begun to control banks and media outlets (sound familar?). Not comfortable with it at all. Israel isn't even there in Iraq. It's amazing how linked it all is in the narrative of most ME Muslims. Really points to how crucial Palestine is to democracy in the ME and, though it may seem odd, the coalition's success in Iraq.
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I disagree, the entire issue of the PLO Arabs is power to Arab leaders. They don't care about the plight of the Palestinians very much (such as when the Jordanian Army expelled the PLO and in doing killed hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Fedayeen as well and large numbers of civilians). The entire point is that the dictators use Israel to excuse their own despotism ~ if they don't allow freedom of the press then its because the Jews control the free media, if people are getting sick then it is the Jews fault ~ I am not kidding, this may sound silly but, just check up www.memri.org, it may give you a little perspective. Anyway paranoid Muslim anti-semitism is one thing, a proper two state solution is another. They hated Jews before the creation of Israel, the pogroms and Haifa massacre, the Palestinian Arabs alliance with the Nazi's during the war and Grand Mufti Al Husseini's desire to setup an extermination camp for the Jews of Palestine are example of this. Long story short don't always buy the hype ~ if George W. Bush tells you that he want's to bring peace, freedom and democracy to the world you are naturally skeptical about his intentions, you must apply the same skepticism to the intentions of these types because this is propaganda aimed directly at western minds that gives them common "root causes" to agree on ~ such as the PLO Arabs or Globalisation or often enough in Europe Anti-Semitism (its no coincidence that the label neo-con is codeword for Jew, Wolfowitz, Pearle are very illustrative when wanting to say that).

As for the Poll, the recent WaPo article shows this as well as seperate polls run by BBC and Arab press.

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Most Iraqis Remain Committed to Elections, Poll Finds
Despite Insurgent Threats and Lack of Democratic Tradition, 80 Percent Say They Are Likely to Vote

By Karl Vick
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, January 21, 2005; Page A13

BAGHDAD, Jan. 20 -- An overwhelming majority of Iraqis continue to say they intend to vote on Jan. 30 even as insurgents press attacks aimed at rendering the elections a failure, according to a new public opinion survey.

The poll, conducted in late December and early January for the International Republican Institute, found 80 percent of respondents saying they were likely to vote, a rate that has held roughly steady for months.

The 64 percent who said they were "very likely" to vote represented a dip of about 7 percentage points from a November survey, while those "somewhat likely" to vote increased 5 points.

Western specialists involved with election preparations said they were struck by the determination and resilience of ordinary Iraqis as they anticipate their country's first free election in half a century.

"Despite the efforts of the terrorists, Iraqis remain committed to casting their vote on election day," IRI President Lorne Craner said in a statement. The organization, which is funded by Congress through the National Endowment for Democracy and the U.S. Agency for International Development, commissioned the poll, which surveyed 1,900 Iraqis in all but two of the country's 18 provinces. Poor security made two in the far north, Nineveh and Dohuk, inaccessible. The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

"I think people will be shocked," said an official of another international organization deeply involved in preparing Iraq's nascent political class for the ballot. The official, who insisted that neither he nor his organization could be identified because of security concerns, said most Iraqis remained intent on exercising their right to elect a government after decades of dictatorships.

"I think the real story of this election is what's gone on beneath the radar," the official said. "They may not know what they're voting for. But I think they recognize it's something called democracy."

The new survey was released on a relatively quiet day in Iraq, the start of a four-day religious holiday marking the end of the annual pilgrimage to Mecca. Streets were largely empty, and attacks appeared to be down sharply from Wednesday, when insurgents mounted more than 100 across the country, including 10 car bombings.

In the southern city of Basra, however, an explosion at the entrance to a British military base injured several people, including British soldiers, according to a statement by the British military. A group led by Abu Musab Zarqawi posted an Internet message saying the attack was "in response to the harm inflicted by British occupation forces on our brothers in prison."

Three British soldiers are accused of abusing Iraqi prisoners in a scandal that recalls the Abu Ghraib case, including photos of naked prisoners being forced to simulate sex.

Another guerrilla group, the Ansar al-Sunna Army, asserted responsibility for an attack on two cars carrying a Western security detail near Baiji, an oil town in the north, on Wednesday. A British man and an Iraqi driver were killed in the attack, and a Brazilian man is missing. The group claimed to be holding a Briton and a Swede.

Mohammed Mutar, a laborer who said he witnessed the attack, said the attackers pretended to be waiting in a long line at a gas station before attacking the two-car convoy. Lt. Col. Safa Majoun, who heads the security detail at the Baiji power plant, said two men were kidnapped, including the head of the company that runs the plant. Nazar Jabbar, a driver, said he and the company's other drivers immediately resigned.

In Anbar province, a vast and predominantly Sunni stretch of western Iraq that includes Fallujah and Ramadi, Zarqawi's group this week distributed fliers warning that anyone seen in public from Jan. 27 on would be regarded as "a military target."

Special correspondent Salih Saif Aldin in Baiji contributed to this report.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...ub%3DAR&sub=AR

And this one translated from Al-sabah
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Election poll from Al-sabah

This poll was published in Al-Sabah newspaper showing that “terrorists” have failed to to dissuade Iraqis from votin, many be willing to take on the risks necessary to wrench back control of their nation. Even in a dangerous, quasi democratic election.

The poll was of 4974 Iraqis living in and around Baghdad.

The following is the translation of the poll and the results:

Will the security problems cause you to?
Not come out and vote the day of elections = 18.3%
Come out and vote the day of elections = 78.3%
No opinion = 3.4%

Do you support the Iraqi Government having its own official newspaper?
Yes = 67.7%
No = 30.9%
Do Not know = 1.4%?

Do you support military action against the terrorists?
Yes = 87.7 %
No = 11.1%
Don’t Know = 1.2%
http://www.roadstoiraq.com/?p=154

As for the Palestinians (yet again) the Arab leaders pushed the UN into publishing the report that tells it as they like it; Israel and the US are the root causes of the problems of bad government and poverty in the ME. It is a way to reinforce their power by blaming internal problems on the outsider shirking any responsibility to their people or the world at large.
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...0&w=RTR&coview
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I may also state that Baghdad as a sample site is quite good because it is one of the more violent places in the city; the Shia in the south are relatively peaceful and their religious leadership have told them to get out and vote (but oddly enough not for the religious leadership). Anyway Baghdad contains a mix of Shiite and Sunni Arabs and it is very mixed.
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Furthurmore check this site out, it has information from Iraqi's in Iraq

http://www.friendsofdemocracy.info/
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