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Old 03-05-2003, 10:29 PM   #46
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Why am I angry???LOL Because it is PLAGIARISM. You WORD FOR WORD almost completely copied someone elses words without giving them credit.

And, your post does 100% imply that the US manufactured created wanted the 1st Gulf War.

My level of intelligence is fine. The article was written by someone else. You attempted to pass it off as your own words. It is crap. Many people here spend quite a bit of their time citing, and quoting people.

I would not accept it from my "elementary school" students, why should it be accepted here?
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Old 03-05-2003, 10:52 PM   #47
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Hiphop, in the future please post a link for credit, even if you change some things, if the majority of it is from a weblink or article we'd appreciate a link.

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I´m not your elementary school student, dear. But if its so important to you, next time I´ll quote all my sources.

Excuse me, I thought this was an internet board, not an exam.

I take the right to plagiarize though, because I am an artist. When I create a piece of art, I am costantly plagiarizing, because everything has been there.

You see, I take the right to avoid giving credit when I want to. If I would print the stuff in a newspaper and earn money by it without giving credit, it would be a mistake, and actually I could be sued. But as long as there is no money involved its ridiculous to speak of plagiarism.

As I said, information wants to be free. Thats my opinion. For further information, please go to:

http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/II/IWtbF.html

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"In fall 1984, at the first Hackers' Conference, I said in one discussion session: "On the one hand information wants to be expensive, because it's so valuable. The right information in the right place just changes your life. On the other hand, information wants to be free, because the cost of getting it out is getting lower and lower all the time. So you have these two fighting against each other." (Stewart Brand)

In Denning (1990), she quotes Richard Stallman in about 1990 as follows:

"I believe that all generally useful information should be free. By `free' I am not referring to price, but rather to the freedom to copy the information and to adapt it to one's own uses".

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I even go one step further in my thoughts. Information wants to be free by itself, I think. Look at the internet and tell me information doesn´t want to be free. What we call information has a certain spirit.

And you may read it like whatever, but I didn´t imply nothing. Implications are dependent on interpretation, though. So you may interprete my words different from what I meant to say by them, thats fine - every piece of art has to be opened to interpretation.

Can you live with that? Can you accept that?
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Hiphop, in the future please post a link for credit, even if you change some things, if the majority of it is from a weblink or article we'd appreciate a link.

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Fine Sicy, if you as a mod say so...
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Here's the official translated version

(NYTImes http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/06/in...06ITEX.html?th)

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PARIS, March 5 — Following is the text of a joint statement by Foreign Ministers Dominique de Villepin of France, Ivan S. Ivanov of Russia and Joschka Fischer of Germany, as translated by the French Foreign Ministry:

Our common objective remains the full and effective disarmament of Iraq, in compliance with Resolution 1441.

We consider that this objective can be achieved by the peaceful means of the inspections.

We moreover observe that these inspections are producing increasingly encouraging results:

¶The destruction of the Al Samoud missiles has started and is making progress.

¶Iraqis are providing biological and chemical information.

¶The interviews with Iraqi scientists are continuing.

Russia, Germany and France resolutely support Messrs. Blix and ElBaradei and consider the meeting of the Council on March 7 to be an important step in the process put in place.

We firmly call for the Iraqi authorities to cooperate more actively with the inspectors to fully disarm their country. These inspections cannot continue indefinitely.

We consequently ask that the inspections now be speeded up, in keeping with the proposals put forward in the memorandum submitted to the Security Council by our three countries. We must:

¶Specify and prioritize the remaining issues, program by program.

¶Establish, for each point, detailed time lines.

Using this method, the inspectors have to present without any delay their work program accompanied by regular progress reports to the Security Council. This program could provide for a meeting clause to enable the Council to evaluate the overall results of this process.

In these circumstances, we will not let a proposed resolution pass that would authorize the use of force.

Russia and France, as permanent members of the Security Council, will assume all their responsibilities on this point.

We are at a turning point. Since our goal is the peaceful and full disarmament of Iraq, we have today the chance to obtain through peaceful means a comprehensive settlement for the Middle East, starting with a move forward in the peace process, by:

¶Publishing and implementing the road map;

¶Putting together a general framework for the Middle East, based on stability and security, renunciation of force, arms control and trust building measures.
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nbcrusader: we've discussed Oil as an pro/contra argument in other threads - if you want to continue that discussion i guess you should reread this thread first.

Some important points:
France has Oil contracts with Iraq - right. I'm unsure if it's the legal part the UN said it would be ok of if they are ignoring the boycot. Anyway, it's interesting for French oil-companies (elf) to keep that contract and it's interesting for US Companies (Exxon, Mobil, Amoco, Arco) to get these countries. GB controled Oil companies will have interests in contracts to (BP and Shell). So, US, GB and France might have economical reasons pro or against war.
But somehow i prefer no war for economical reasons than war for economical reasons.
Of course both sides have good humanitarian arguments too.

So - back to oil:
Saudi Arabia and the Iraq have the vast majority of the remaining oil reserves.
Saudi Arabia threw the US military out of the country, and they are not called "reliable partner" anymore.
Since we all know how oil-dependent world economy is well - another reason to control that region.

So from my point of view this whole iraq war isn't about humanitarism at all - it's about more power.
Russia, China, France, and Germany are just affraid of GWB "new world order". Most followers of the US are paid by the US. That dosn't make US ideas of "giving democracy to the world" verry trustworthy from my point of view.

...but of course this was all just my personal opinon.

Sorry, that got a little oftopic and didn't have much to do with PR, so i give you some PR at the end:



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Bush screws up PR himself, there's no Saddam who's just better than him:

...But Mexico's seat on the U.N. Security Council gives it a vote on the question of Iraq — and the threats the Bush administration has made to get that vote are quickly destroying any semblance of good will.
Last week The Economist quoted an American diplomat who warned that if Mexico didn't vote for a U.S. resolution it could "stir up feelings" against Mexicans in the United States. He compared the situation to that of Japanese-Americans who were interned after 1941, and wondered whether Mexico "wants to stir the fires of jingoism during a war."
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And Mr. Bush then said that if Mexico or other countries oppose the United States, "there will be a certain sense of discipline."

(from: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/07/op...07KRUG.html?th )

sad times - the way Bush administration treats other countries damages the credibility of the USA:

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