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Old 03-03-2003, 01:42 PM   #16
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[BHe is not a warmonger.

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Yes he is.

And after this war, if the American public votes him in again, he will start another one somewhere else, and Americans will be complicit by their re-electing him in his bloodshed.
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Yes he is losing the PR war. But to quote a Frenchman "It is not a game". He's losing more & more support in the US, Crongressmen are more & more saying "What's the Rush?", and he's losing support in his administration also. See below:

In this regard, we note the recent resignation of John Brady Kiesling, a career diplomat with twenty years of service in the State Department. In his resignation letter, Kiesling wrote:
[T]his Administration has chosen to make terrorism a domestic political tool, enlisting a scattered and largely defeated Al Qaeda as its bureaucratic ally. We spread disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind, arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of terrorism and Iraq. The result, and perhaps the motive, is to justify a vast misallocation of shrinking public wealth to the military and to weaken the safeguards that protect American citizens from the heavy hand of government. September 11 did not do as much damage to the fabric of American society as we seem determined to so to ourselves. Is the Russia of the late Romanovs really our model, a selfish, superstitious empire thrashing toward self-destruction in the name of a doomed status quo? ... I am resigning because I have tried and failed to reconcile my conscience with my ability to represent the current U.S. Administration.
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I agree

I still think most of the problems could have been prevented if Europe had managed to present one view (either in favour of or against war) to the rest of the world
the EU failed misserably
You know just as well as me that that would never been possible. At the moment the EU is still not a political union and many countries don't want it to be. So it cannot present one shared view, as different countries have different viewpoints and they would never shut up if their view was contrasting the shared view.
Economical the EU may be equivalent to the USA, but politically they are still 15 countries.

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BTW, if the EU (including the UK) had presented one view against war, how would that have prevented many of the problems?
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Old 03-03-2003, 07:53 PM   #19
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BTW, if the EU (including the UK) had presented one view against war, how would that have prevented many of the problems?
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I agree with the est you've said though
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The point is that Bush hasn't articulated the case against Saddam. Perhaps there is adequate reason for a war. But he hasn't done what he should to sell the idea to the American people. I wonder what someone like John McCain could have done if he were president. I imagine things would be pretty different.
a recent foxnews pole....

"Do you support or oppose U.S. military action to disarm Iraq and remove Iraqi President Saddam Hussein?"
71% yes.

cnn/gallup pole...

"As you may know, the U.S., Great Britain, and Spain plan to submit a resolution to the United Nations that says that Iraq is in serious violation of prior UN resolutions that required Iraq to disarm. Do you think the United States should invade Iraq with ground troops only if the UN approves this new resolution, even if the UN does not approve this new resolution, or do you think the United States should not send ground troops to Iraq at all?" Options were rotated

40% say yes, even w/o UN support
38% say yes w/ un support.


I think the american people are in support of this war.
I think Bush has articulated his reasons quite well.



poll # taken from: http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
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I think this thread is less about U.S. support as it is about global support.

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Did both of you oppose Iraq Pt 1?
Plez let us know.

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I was 11 when it happened, diamond. At that time, I was more opposed to the nationalism than anything (the result of a being in a politically active household ).

Knowing what I know now, though, it was a half assed war that caused more problems than solutions.

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I was 11 when it happened, diamond. At that time, I was more opposed to the nationalism than anything (the result of a being in a politically active household ).

Knowing what I know now, though, it was a half assed war that caused more problems than solutions.

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That's right, it didn't take Saddam out. It caused a humanitarian problem by creating a whole slew of refugees. I remember the last few days of the war seemed to mainly occupy people who were fixing the damn Kuwaiti ruler's gold faucets.
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Headline today:
Paris, Berlin and Moscow against this War.

France Germany and Russia said today that they are against a new Iraq-Resolution im UN-Sicherheitsrat which would result in a war. they also mentioned that a double Veto (France Russia) would be possible.

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France Germany and Russia said today that they are against a new Iraq-Resolution
obviously because the current ones have been so effective?
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Salome: cutting half the sentense and answering is verry... hmm biased?
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I think that is the message.
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Salome: cutting half the sentense and answering is verry... hmm biased?
I didn't think I left out something important
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