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Old 09-17-2004, 05:55 PM   #16
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This is getting scarier day by day.
Far graver than Vietnam

Most senior US military officers now believe the war on Iraq has turned into a disaster on an unprecedented scale

Sidney Blumenthal

09/16/04 "The Guardian" -- 'Bring them on!" President Bush challenged the early Iraqi insurgency in July of last year. Since then, 812 American soldiers have been killed and 6,290 wounded, according to the Pentagon. Almost every day, in campaign speeches, Bush speaks with bravado about how he is "winning" in Iraq. "Our strategy is succeeding," he boasted to the National Guard convention on Tuesday. But, according to the US military's leading strategists and prominent retired generals, Bush's war is already lost. Retired general William Odom, former head of the National Security Agency, told me: "Bush hasn't found the WMD. Al-Qaida, it's worse, he's lost on that front. That he's going to achieve a democracy there? That goal is lost, too. It's lost." He adds: "Right now, the course we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends."
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General Odom said: "This is far graver than Vietnam. There wasn't as much at stake strategically, though in both cases we mindlessly went ahead with the war that was not constructive for US aims. But now we're in a region far more volatile, and we're in much worse shape with our allies."

Terrill believes that any sustained US military offensive against the no-go areas "could become so controversial that members of the Iraqi government would feel compelled to resign". Thus, an attempted military solution would destroy the slightest remaining political legitimacy. "If we leave and there's no civil war, that's a victory."

General Hoare believes from the information he has received that "a decision has been made" to attack Fallujah "after the first Tuesday in November. That's the cynical part of it - after the election. The signs are all there."
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That last part is disgusting. How many of our men would we lose?
Sorry, but these three officers do NOT represent the opinion of most military officers. Especially General Odom who has been wrong more often than not in the past.

As to the last part, if there is one part of the Bush administration policy I would criticize, its that we did not go into Falluga right after the invasion and clean it out as well as finishing the operation we did start back in April.

The question you should be asking is how many men and women will we lose if the military does not go into Fallujah! The HQ for the insurgency as well as most of the IEDs and bombs that are made is in Fallujah!
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http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/...ves/002544.php

Read it, get some other POV.
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Old 09-21-2004, 11:37 AM   #18
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http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/...ves/002544.php

Read it, get some other POV.
some other POV.?

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I am thrilled to announce that I received an invitation from the Republican National Convention to represent the blogging community when George Bush is nominated for a second term!


about as objective as Move.on
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Old 09-21-2004, 05:14 PM   #19
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some other POV.?





about as objective as Move.on
There is a reason that he and most military personal are Republicans and perhaps you should think about that.
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There is a reason most African- Americans vote Deomcratic, one should think about that.
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Rumsfeld Raises Prospect of Limited Iraq Elections
Thu Sep 23, 2004 04:21 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Thursday raised the possibility that Iraq could conduct only limited elections in January, excluding places where violence was considered too severe for people to go to polls.

"Let's say you tried to have an election and you could have it in three-quarters or four-fifths of the country. But in some places you couldn't because the violence was too great," Rumsfeld said at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing.

"Well, so be it. Nothing's perfect in life, so you have an election that's not quite perfect. Is it better than not having an election? You bet," he said.



""Well, so be it. Nothing's perfect in life, so you have an election that's not quite perfect. Is it better than not having an election? You bet," he said"



It worked great in 2000.


It is easier to get the result you want.

To hell with democracy.
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You just need to clap harder, deep.
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I just love all the Tinkerbell jokes in here...
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"Well, so be it. Nothing's perfect in life, so you have an election that's not quite perfect. Is it better than not having an election? You bet," he said"
This is remarkable, not only does this go against everything democracy stands for but it would basically allow terrorists to pick and choose which area they want to see voting.

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Rumsfeld denied that the Pentagon had painted "a rosy picture" of the situation in Iraq. But he conceded during a sharp exchange with Democratic Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts over the growing violence there that the security situation could be even worse during the Iraqi election in January.

"Let's say it's worse," said Rumsfeld. "So be it. Nothing's perfect in life."
That guy has got some nerve
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That guy has got some nerve

He should be put out to pasture. (retired)

He is an embarrassment.
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More ivory tower criticism.

Right now, you essentially have three choices for elections:

1. Hold them in January in all areas that are stable (but face criticism that not everyone gets to vote).

2. Hold them when all areas of Iraq are stable (but face criticism that this is not happening fast enough).

3. Go back to the old system where everyone gets to vote for Saddam.
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More ivory tower criticism.

Right now, you essentially have three choices for elections:

1. Hold them in January in all areas that are stable (but face criticism that not everyone gets to vote).

2. Hold them when all areas of Iraq are stable (but face criticism that this is not happening fast enough).

3. Go back to the old system where everyone gets to vote for Saddam.
If these are the only options available then you have to ask how things got so messed up in the first place. Or is that more ivory tower criticism?
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It's unfathonable how throughout all this, anyone can possibly look in the mirror and say "I'm gonna vote for Bush in November".
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I think that the answer to your question is found in the Kerry campaign.
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Bullshit

I live in a predominately Rep rural area. Many of my friends are voting for W because he's the Rep candidate. Do they pay attention to any issues or even many watch the news? No they just blindly follow their party into the pits of Hell!
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