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Old 01-30-2003, 04:07 PM   #16
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HIPHOP,

Unlike Iraq, North Korea has not invaded or attacked any country in over 50 years! In terms of its behavior in the internation scene, they could be regarded as even more passive than Pakistan. North Korea certainly has weapons and capability that in of themselves are threats to the region, but they do not have the history of Behavior especially over the last 20 years that Iraq has. The Behavior factor is the big difference with Iraq.

Another difference between North Korea and Iraq, is that the risk in taking action against North Korea is much greater than Iraq. North Korean Artillery, in the thousands built into the mountain sides, is only 20 to 30 miles from Seoul South Korea. While this artillery would be eventually destroyed in any conflict, it could not be destroyed before hundreds of thousands of South Koreans would be killed by it in the opening days of any conflict. This unique situation does where a large metropolitan area of 10 million people is only miles away from hostile artillery that could fire on them at any time, does not exist anywhere else in the world, and dramatically effects any foreign policy decisions in the Korean situation. All this without factoring in the two nuclear weapons that North Korea now has.

The good thing is that North Korea does not behave like Iraq does on the internation scene and it is the one of the chief reasons for the difference in policy towards the two countries.
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Cow,

"sting2, have the united states EVER acted wrong in your opinion?"

Of course, but not in these particular situations at the moment.
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The good thing is that North Korea does not behave like Iraq does on the internation scene and it is the one of the chief reasons for the difference in policy towards the two countries.
right, thats why iraq has allowed inspectors back in, and north korea has kicked them out.

thats why iraq AT LEAST says theyre doing everything to cooperate with the inspectors and the internation community, and north korea says if anyone dares to slap sanctions on them, they will consider it an act of war.

great logic, it makes sense.

ofcourse this war isnt about oil! trust blindly in our leader, i beg you all!
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Old 01-30-2003, 04:54 PM   #19
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Cow,

You don't seem to understand that the inspection regime in regards to North Korea and the inspection regime in regards to Iraq are two different things.

North Korea through mutual agreement allowed inspectors to inspect and check its Nuclear reactors.

Inspectors were introduced into Iraq because of Iraq's serious and gross violations of international law through invading and attack 4 countries and the targeting and killing of civilians using WMD weapons. Iraq signed a CEACEFIRE agreement to end a war. The Ceacefire agreement had a number of conditions which included the destruction and removal of all of its WMD weapons. In addition, Iraq is in violation of 17 United Nations resolutions passed under Chapter VII rules. North Korea is not in violation of any UN resolutions passed under Chapter VII rules and is not in violation of a ceacefire agreement.

Inspectors or inspection devices in North Korea were simply there to moniter. Inspectors in Iraq were there to verify and destroy all WMD components.
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No, thats not true, STING2. Hans Blix wouldn┤t have the authority to destroy nuclear weapons. He has the duty to report and nothing more.

And the inspectors were the same organization, the IAEA.

What do you think of the U.S. controlling all the Near East region to secure long term oil interests? And using a war to secure that.
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HIPHOP,

I guess you do not remember the hundreds of missiles and munitions, plants and other equipment that are associated with the production and capability of WMD that UN inspectors successfully destroyed during the period from 1991-1998. So sorry, that is so.

The fact that it is the IAEA in this case is not relevant. What is relevant is the above context in which the monitering and inspections take place which I clearly mentioned above.

The USA is not going into Iraq to control the oil, just as we didn't liberate Kuwait in 1991 to exclusively control the oil. Rather the USA helps to make sure that the worlds access to this oil is not cut off thereby keeping the cost of energy for consumers like you and I and everone else on the planet, low. Keeping the cost of energy down, helps the global economy, which has more benefitial effects for the rest of the planet than I can mention here.
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I AM A TRUE BLUE PAKISTANI, AND IT IS INSULTING THAT ANYONE IS COMPARING WAR WITH SADDAM WITH PAKISTANI GOVERNMENT......
WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH SH**, JUST TO SUPPORT THE EVER SOOO RICH US OF A...
SO, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, JUST AS THE US, ISRAEL, POSSIBLY IRAQ, INDIA, RUSSIA AND THE LIST GOES ON... AND DON'T TELL ME THAT EAITHER ONE HAVE THEM HAS NOT COMMITED WAR CRIMES OR TERRORISM....

PREVEZ MUSHARAF AND PM JAMEEL ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO CREATE A FAIR GOVERNMENT... A DEMOCRACY (EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A TRUE DEMOCRACY)....

AT THE RISK OF LOWERING THE COUNTRIES SAFETY, MUSHARAF HAS SUPPORTED THE US INCREDIBLY... BUT LETS BE FAIR, ANYMORE SUPPORT TO THE US, AND OUR (PAKISTANI) ECONOMY WOULD PLUMMIT LOWER THEN IT ALREADY HAS...

O, AND PAKISTAN IS A NEW BORN COUNTRY, DEVELOPING.... WE ARE MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH YOUNGER THEN AMERICA, SO PLEASE..... SAVE YOUR ANGST AGAINST THE COUNTRY.

WE 2 HAVE PUT IN SO MUCH EFFORT TO TRACK DOWN TERRORISTS.... BUT, LIKE THE US AND ANY OTHER COUNTRY HAS PROVED, IT IS VERY HARD TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN DOING SO... ESPECIALLY WHEN THE US CAN SOMETIMES BE THE AGRESSOR...

THIS IS A SHAMELESS THREAD...

IT IS VERY OFFENSIVE,
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I LOVE LIVING IN THE US, IT IS MY HOME, BUT I AM A PAKISTANI.... AND YOU PEOPLE DON'T REALISE WHAT PROBLEMS OUR COUNTRY HAS GONE THROUGH IN AN EFFORT TO COOPERATE WITH THE US, INDIA, OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY... PAKSITAN HAS COMMITED MANY CORRUPT WAYS... I'M NOT JUSTIFIYING IT... BUT TELL ME, WHICH COUNTRY HASN'T??????????????

LETS COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES, ORANGES TO ORANGES..... WE CAN'T JUST SAY STUFF OUT OF OUR asses.... BECAUSE I CAN SAY THAT THE US (or even Israel) HARBOURS TERRORISTS, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, OIL, AND IS A POTENTIAL THREAT TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY.... BUT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD ATTACK THE US...


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I don't mean to sound all angry... I love the US, it has many good aspects to it... But, when people put down any country in the ME or Asia, it makes me stop and think...
All countries should have the right to grow revolutionize, just as the US has... The US should save itself from getting involved in situations where it is bound to anger so many people of other developing countries (and vice versa)...

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Aman,

I hear you.

Many who post in here only think in terms of us verses them.
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Amna,

I laid out in my first response to this thread that there was definitely no comparison between Iraq and Pakistan. I fully thank Pakistan for its massive contribution to the war on terrorism and the large number of Al Quada that have been killed or detained by Pakistani police and military forces. I think that Musharaf will be able to eventually form a democratic government.
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I laid out in my first response to this thread that there was definitely no comparison between Iraq and Pakistan. I fully thank Pakistan for its massive contribution to the war on terrorism and the large number of Al Quada that have been killed or detained by Pakistani police and military forces. I think that Musharaf will be able to eventually form a democratic government.
Sting2,

Did you read about the arrest of 28 "Iraqi" terrorist suspects in Italy ?

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Acrobatman,

Those individuals do not represent the Pakistani Government just as US citizens that have participated in terrorist activity do not represent the US government.
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Those individuals do not represent the Pakistani Government just as US citizens that have participated in terrorist activity do not represent the US government.
Except when they are working for the CIA or military, of course.
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The members of the US military and members of the US intelligence community are brave individuals that defend the freedom and security of the planet. Disgusting that you would refer to people I know and love as terrorist.
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The members of the US military and members of the US intelligence community are brave individuals that defend the freedom and security of the planet. Disgusting that you would refer to people I know and love as terrorist.
STING, I quoted you - you used the term terrorist activities.

Are they all? Can you unequivocally say that no member of either the CIA or the military has ever engaged in 'terrorist activities'? You can't, we both know differently.

It is disgusting, you're right, that *SOME* (note, not all, not a blanket condemnation) of the members of the organizations I noted have been involved in what basically amounts to terrorist activities. And they did it while representing their government.

Issuing a blanket 'terrorist' label of all their collegues is certainly something that I would say is illogical, so I would be careful of the words you choose.

I would say 'renegade' would be a more appropriate term, provided of course, and giving them the benefit of the doubt, that their superiors did not approve of their activities and they acted on their own behalf.
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